RMU ReBorn
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There you go proves my point . Abuses and frustrations . Calm down uncle
Luis Suárez
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FCBfan22
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Suarez is getting old. If we don't start looking for a suitable replacement soon, we will end like Slovenian national team, who still had Novaković camping up front at 37.
We need another forward who is willing to defend. Now, with Messi and Suarez, we are defending with 8 outfield players and naturally, our midfield is knackered. Messi has earned that luxury (to not need to defend). But we would've been so much better if we had 2 forwards out of three defending, not one. That's why we are looking at Griezmann. He always tracks back. That would also help Dembele with his defensive duties, which would've been good and would also mean more playing time for him.
Edit: Oh, hi, JamDav. Haven't seen you for a while.
We need another forward who is willing to defend. Now, with Messi and Suarez, we are defending with 8 outfield players and naturally, our midfield is knackered. Messi has earned that luxury (to not need to defend). But we would've been so much better if we had 2 forwards out of three defending, not one. That's why we are looking at Griezmann. He always tracks back. That would also help Dembele with his defensive duties, which would've been good and would also mean more playing time for him.
Edit: Oh, hi, JamDav. Haven't seen you for a while.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
I guess it was the atletico defense that scored the goals to knock out barca and bayern. or the one that scores regularly at the bernabeu. RMU keeps bringing up suarez's exploits from 2011-2015 like that is relevant to the debate we're actually having...no one is saying griezmann is better than prime suarez. what is being said is that griezmann would be a better fit for our system than current suarez, who has been atrocious at link-up play, is slow as a dump truck, and has been scoring at the rate of higuain in europe (last 2 years).
or the one that scores regularly at the bernabeu. RMU keeps bringing up suarez's exploits from 2011-2015 like that is relevant to the debate we're actually having...no one is saying griezmann is better than prime suarez. what is being said is that griezmann would be a better fit for our system than current suarez, who has been atrocious at link-up play, is slow as a dump truck, and has been scoring at the rate of higuain in europe (last 2 years).
Joan
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Good post. This is true.
Only doubt I'm having is whether we should sell Suarez or not. Having both of them on the team would be good, but too expensive for what it's worth.
If Iniesta and Suarez both go, with Griezmann in, our wage-structure would look much better.
e: also, there is a problem of him functioning as a striker, we have rarely seen it. He looks way better since Costa (proper striker) came back. He's always been known as a 2nd guy of the attack. But Griezmann Messi Dembele looks good. G. as an inside forward.
Coutinho Busq Eriksen/Raki behind them. Ok, I'll stop now.
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Devils
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Not Griezmann it was Atleti defense . Always has been . If all Griezmann has only regressed the quality of Atleti . They were on the cusp of Cl & league double back in 2014 and you are saying Griezmann raised the quality of Atleti . Now compare that to Liverpool's stature before Suarez's arrival . When was the last time they were title contenders . Your logics are as lame as JamDav's abuses and frustrations at his middle age
Atleti from 2012 to 2015 before chokerman arrived
League × 1
Supercopa × 1
Copa Del rey × 1
Uefa Super cup ×1
uefa Europa League ×1
Atleti with chokerman has fun fuck all
Atleti's defence does not score goal that win the matches.
You can't possibly argue that only a defence was responsible for Atletico's wins. Diego Costa was performing at a world class level for Atletico, Griezmann filled his spot and kept scoring at a world class level to keep Atletico at that level. Again you are nullifying any attacker that Atletico had even during their elite 2013/2014 campaign by saying it was the defence. It's simply untrue because they had world class players in attack.
It's again with these strawman arguments to validate in anyway you can that he is a 'choker'.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
lukaku has exactly 0 CL knockout goals and regularly goes scoreless v top 6 in EPL. you're becoming a parody at this point.
Joan
Well-known member
Awful comparison. One is a great performer, while the later is a choker. It is known.
What are your first associations with Lukaku? Never shows up when needed, bad technique, slow... Griezmann is the opposite.
Secondly, they are not similar, not even the position and the role.
Griezmann, singlehandedly eliminated the World Cup winner Germany from the tournament. Twittmann.
If you're going to make an argument at least get your facts right.
Suarez won:
Nacional - Leauge title
Ajax - Leauge title & 2 dutch cups
Liverpool - Leauge cup
Uruguay - Copa America (tournament MVP)& W.C. Semifinalist
Barca - 3 Copa del Rei's, 3 (soon) Leauge titles, 1 Champions Leauge, 1 Club W.C. (tournament MVP)
...and Liverpool were never in the CL when Suarez was with the team FFS.
You sound like Donald Trump tweeting.
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Devils
Senior Member
Clearly my post was referenced to his days at Liverpool, which was his first time playing top level club football.
I could have said Griezmann won Supercopa against Real, Segunda Division Title and UEFA Euro Youth title, but didn't because it didn't fit into the argument.
Sounds like you are on a witchhunt! Sad!
RMU ReBorn
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Since when did Ajax became a small club . They are much bigger club than Atletico Madrid and La Real . Ag7 hasn't won anything substantial for them . Suarez was the reason why they ( Liverpool ) qualified for Cl in 2014-15 . They crashed out in first round itself after he left . Liverpool was never title contenders when he arrived . I am saying this for the nth time , Atletico won numerous titles before Griezmann's arrival .
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Joan
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Are you pleased with Coutinho's transfer?
Devils
Senior Member
Ajax aren't a small club but the level of football that is played in that league is nowhere near that of the top four European leagues. The gap of football level between a club like Ajax and Liverpool/Atletico is a big jump in this day and age.
I am not debating that Suarez elevated Liverpool to nearly winning a title or bring them to CL qualification. Suarez lead that team and was their star player. Liverpool also signed Coutinho, Sturridge and had Sterling coming into the ranks as well. That was a team that was built on the foundations of those players. They fell apart after Suarez and Sterling left, Sturridge's injury woes etc. It's only now that Klopp has managed to totally overcome that and rebuilt a new Liverpool team.
It's different for Atletico, Griezmann came into what was an already completely built team that had just won La Liga and finished runner-up in the CL. Guys like Godin, Juanfran, Luis, Koke, Turan etc..were being hailed as some of the best in the world at their positions. The foundations for that team where already there. Griezmann was bought in to replace a world class performing Diego Costa and he managed to do that just fine. Atletico were still a force for a few years, but they did come up against historically great Barca and Madrid sides, which in all fairness needs to be taken into consideration when you look at their lack of trophies in recent years. I would argue though this season they are beginning their decline with their squad aging.
You can't just point to the basis of one player and say Griezmann hasn't won anything for them, he's definitely been a top performer for what has been a world class team for the past 4-5 years.
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Devils
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Suarez's prime is a level that very few strikers reach.
That said, he is past it and it's smart for Barca to get a new striker even if that player cannot reach the levels of prime Saurez but would be an upgrade over the current version.
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