Luis Suárez

Kuchi

Active member
Suarez will score 20-25 league goals again.
Try to win La Liga without those goals.

There are surely teams who would like to have him in a team.

You think Malcom/Dembele or any other striker wouldn't score 20+ in a full season of La Liga, given the start every match (like Suarez will) and Messi & maybe Cou setting up assists? I think with our without Suarez in the starting line up, our La Liga chances are pretty much the same. The man is utter crap, can't stop a pass while running, can't control even if his life depended on it..and he is slow AF while setting up a shot...

The problem is he wont show up in UCL and coupled with Messi being closed down, we'll be treading the same problems as last year, instead of actually finding a solution that might actually work in attack, like let's say Cou - Messi - Malcom/Dembouz...

LE: Sorry, thought it was the Suarez thread..pls delete or move..
 
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clemente

New member
Suarez will score 20-25 league goals again.
Try to win La Liga without those goals.

There are surely teams who would like to have him in a team.

Suarez has Messi behind him, he gets created so many chances that 20 goals for him are way too low, even Munir would score that.
 

gasgas

Senior Member
Suarez will score 20-25 league goals again.
Try to win La Liga without those goals.

There are surely teams who would like to have him in a team.

With the chances he's been receiving served on the plate for him he should be scoring at least double that.
 

Catta

Senior Member
You guys are spoiled because of Messi and Ronaldo. 20-25 goals in the league was always a huge feat. Players like Villa broke the 20 goal barrier in the league only twice, both times for Valenica, none for Barca, Pedro has never scored more than 15, Neymar did it two times. In the past only world class forwards had seasons with over 20 league goals, if someone scored over 30 he was the best in the world, now because of Messi and Ronaldo, 20 goals seems like something every average striker should score. And you guys think that players like Malcom and Dembele could do what Suarez does. Both of them have 20 league goals in their whole careers, while Suarez has scored over 20 goals in each club he has played for, in the last 6 seasons he scored more than 20 in 5 seasons, only exception was his first season for Barca where he was suspended because of the WC biting incident.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
You think Malcom/Dembele or any other striker wouldn't score 20+ in a full season of La Liga, given the start every match (like Suarez will) and Messi & maybe Cou setting up assists? I think with our without Suarez in the starting line up, our La Liga chances are pretty much the same. The man is utter crap, can't stop a pass while running, can't control even if his life depended on it..and he is slow AF while setting up a shot...

The problem is he wont show up in UCL and coupled with Messi being closed down, we'll be treading the same problems as last year, instead of actually finding a solution that might actually work in attack, like let's say Cou - Messi - Malcom/Dembouz...

LE: Sorry, thought it was the Suarez thread..pls delete or move..

Malcom is not a natural striker.
Dembele is more or less horrible infront of a goal.

Suarez was once the best Cf in the world and even today he is probably in top5 cfs in terms of end product.

Too many guys here think that it is a piece of cake to jump into Suarez's shoes.
Some guys say: he has Messi behind him.
Well, Higuain and Aguero also have Messi behind them in Argentina and they can't score anything.
How come that Messi is not helping to those two?

Also, Neymar had quite poor numbers in the last season here, even though he had Messi and he is waaaay superior finisher to Malcom and especially Dembele.

I have no idea how do you guys think that Malcom, or especially Dembele could match numbers of Suarez.

Suarez is poor compared to his prime self.
But is still better than 99% Cfs and by far better than all attackers at Barca, except Messi.

As always in Messi-Coutinho-Dembele/Malcom attack, WHO will be in the box and drawing 2 defenders away?
Not to mention that Messi would drop deep, we would have no one in the box, plus we would have even less arial threat on some rare crosses.

Suarez's end product is currently the most underrated thing on our forum.
On the other hand, we can find overrating of player's skills and product on majority of other topics.

Suarez will still score more goals than all Rm's forwards.
 

JerseyAddict

Well-known member
Suarez's end product is currently the most underrated thing on our forum.
On the other hand, we can find overrating of player's skills and product on majority of other topics.

QUOTET FFT
It is August 24th and there is already a meltdown how shite Suarez, Raki, Busi, this, that etc all of the are. Even Messi is shited at some posts. JESUS.

:suarez::rakitic:
 

RIZALDINHO

Member
we should bench saurez because he has been declining for a year know and play messi as a striker.

we should play coutinho/malcom/dembele messi dembele/malcom as front 3 in the team
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
we should bench saurez because he has been declining for a year know and play messi as a striker.

we should play coutinho/malcom/dembele messi dembele/malcom as front 3 in the team

You don't want to win La Liga? :(

As someone mentioned, Malcom scored 20 senior league goals in his career (4 seasons).
Dembele scored 21 senior league goals in 3 seasons.

Suarez alone scored 40, 29 and 25 league goals in the last 3 seasons.
In each season, he alone scored more league goals than Dembele and Malcom in their whole senior career.

People are blinded by: he is young and has potential, but in this moment, Suarez is miles ahead of all scorers in our team except Messi.

152 goals for Barca in 200 matches.
And people think that virtually anyone can jump into his shoes and offer even close numbers.

Imagine his numbers if he would take all penalties and free kicks over the last 4 years.
He would have 180-200 goals in 200 matches for Barca.
 
You don't want to win La Liga? :(

As someone mentioned, Malcom scored 20 senior league goals in his career (4 seasons).
Dembele scored 21 senior league goals in 3 seasons.

Suarez alone scored 40, 29 and 25 league goals in the last 3 seasons.
In each season, he alone scored more league goals than Dembele and Malcom in their whole senior career.

People are blinded by: he is young and has potential, but in this moment, Suarez is miles ahead of all scorers in our team except Messi.

152 goals for Barca in 200 matches.
And people think that virtually anyone can jump into his shoes and offer even close numbers.

Imagine his numbers if he would take all penalties and free kicks over the last 4 years.
He would have 180-200 goals in 200 matches for Barca.

How much did Dembele played, how many minutes? And how many minutes Suarez? As you say... Imagine that Dembele play all the games that Suarez play... Maybe he would score more goals....
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
How much did Dembele played, how many minutes? And how many minutes Suarez? As you say... Imagine that Dembele play all the games that Suarez play... Maybe he would score more goals....

Dembele:
Rennes: 1937 minutes, 12 goals=161 minutes per goal
Borussia: 2042 minutes, 6 goals=340 minutes per goal
CL Borrusia: 770 minutes, 2 goals=385 minutes per goal
Barcelona last season total: 1074 minutes, 4 goals=269 minutes per goal

Career: 5823 minutes, 24 goals=243 minutes per goal
If we remove a CL, only league matches in his whole career: 4910 minutes, 21 goals=234 minutes per goal

Maths say with that rate, if he would play full 38 La liga matches per season:
38 matches x 90 minutes=3420 minutes/234 minutes per goal=he would score 14,6 league goals per season

Again, Suarez:
2018: 2902 minutes/25 goals=116 minutes per goal
2017: 2865 minutes/29 goals=99 minutes per goal
2016: 3150 minutes/40 goals=79 minutes per goal

So, it is evident that Suarez is scoring less and less.
But even last season:
Suarez in La liga: 116 minutes for one goal needed
Dembele in La liga: 310 minutes for one goal needed

And even then, Dembele scored 2 of his 3 goals against Villareal or something (right?) when the La liga was won and in the last 10 minutes when the opponent gave up and allowed tons of space.

I know that people are biased towards young players, but a simple maths and logic says that our young guys in this moment are NOWHERE near numbers of Luis Suarez.

So, Dembele doesn't only need MINUTES.
He needs to improve his shooting skills and killer instinct immensely to get close to Suarez.
 

clemente

New member
You don't want to win La Liga? :(

As someone mentioned, Malcom scored 20 senior league goals in his career (4 seasons).
Dembele scored 21 senior league goals in 3 seasons.

Suarez alone scored 40, 29 and 25 league goals in the last 3 seasons.
In each season, he alone scored more league goals than Dembele and Malcom in their whole senior career.

People are blinded by: he is young and has potential, but in this moment, Suarez is miles ahead of all scorers in our team except Messi.

152 goals for Barca in 200 matches.
And people think that virtually anyone can jump into his shoes and offer even close numbers.

Imagine his numbers if he would take all penalties and free kicks over the last 4 years.
He would have 180-200 goals in 200 matches for Barca.

You HAVE to be trolling lmao, there is like 10 points in this post where you are obviously throwing yourself under a bus because you know people will call you out on that nonsense, but I guess this is what you want.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Dembele:
Rennes: 1937 minutes, 12 goals=161 minutes per goal
Borussia: 2042 minutes, 6 goals=340 minutes per goal
CL Borrusia: 770 minutes, 2 goals=385 minutes per goal
Barcelona last season total: 1074 minutes, 4 goals=269 minutes per goal

Career: 5823 minutes, 24 goals=243 minutes per goal
If we remove a CL, only league matches in his whole career: 4910 minutes, 21 goals=234 minutes per goal

Maths say with that rate, if he would play full 38 La liga matches per season:
38 matches x 90 minutes=3420 minutes/234 minutes per goal=he would score 14,6 league goals per season

Again, Suarez:
2018: 2902 minutes/25 goals=116 minutes per goal
2017: 2865 minutes/29 goals=99 minutes per goal
2016: 3150 minutes/40 goals=79 minutes per goal

So, it is evident that Suarez is scoring less and less.
But even last season:
Suarez in La liga: 116 minutes for one goal needed
Dembele in La liga: 310 minutes for one goal needed

And even then, Dembele scored 2 of his 3 goals against Villareal or something (right?) when the La liga was won and in the last 10 minutes when the opponent gave up and allowed tons of space.

I know that people are biased towards young players, but a simple maths and logic says that our young guys in this moment are NOWHERE near numbers of Luis Suarez.

So, Dembele doesn't only need MINUTES.
He needs to improve his shooting skills and killer instinct immensely to get close to Suarez.

You act like it's all about goals, especially when Suarez is a 9 and Dembele was a winger who had to deal with multiple injuries and recovering fitness.

What about the opportunity cost of all the hundreds of attacks Suarez fucked up? 10-15 of those for every goal he scores, if not more. That's not something that shows up on the scoresheet.

There's a reasonable chance that Suarez's 20+ goals actually comes at the cost of more goals that would've been scored by Messi had he not fucked up the combination plays, or goals that would've been scored by more clinical strikers who wouldn't miss as many easy chances as Suarez that Messi/Cou/Iniesta provided on a platter.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
You HAVE to be trolling lmao, there is like 10 points in this post where you are obviously throwing yourself under a bus because you know people will call you out on that nonsense, but I guess this is what you want.

The only questionable part could be 180 goals in 200 matches with penalties and free kicks.

Other things are just stats.

When you remove hype, bias towards younger players and a hate towards older players, majority of things in the post stand.
Look at the next post with minutes per goal needed for Dembele vs Suarez for example.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
You act like it's all about goals, especially when Suarez is a 9 and Dembele was a winger who had to deal with multiple injuries and recovering fitness.

What about the opportunity cost of all the hundreds of attacks Suarez fucked up? 10-15 of those for every goal he scores, if not more. That's not something that shows up on the scoresheet.

There's a reasonable chance that Suarez's 20+ goals actually comes at the cost of more goals that would've been scored by Messi had he not fucked up the combination plays, or goals that would've been scored by more clinical strikers who wouldn't miss as many easy chances as Suarez that Messi/Cou/Iniesta provided on a platter.

Messi scored 34 last season.
Suarez 25.

If you remove Suarez and play Messi-Dembele-Coutinho, you will get roughly:
Messi 35
Dembele 15
Coutinho 15-20

Midfielders nothing since midfielders without Coutinho as a Cm are Raki, Busi and Arthur.
Basically: 65-70 goals

With:
Suarez 20 goals
Messi 35
Dembele 10-15 as a winger
Coutinho 10-15 as a Cm that is a different story.
= 75-85 goals in this case

Suarez is ruining attacks, but without a man in the box, you still have a sterile attack, too many defenders on Messi, and not too lethal finishers outside of Messi.
Not to mention a comedy vs parked buses.
Not to mention zero crosses and fullbacks need to pass yet another backpass to the edge of a box IN EVERY SINGLE ACTION.

With your logic about creating and passing, Spain should be a world champion.
Since they have 5 midfielders/attackers who are awesome in passing and movemnet.
But, not too many can score...

Also, with that logic, a lineup of:
Dembele-Messi-Rafinha
Busi-Coutinho-Iniesta
= should be awesome.
They can all pass well, move and similar.

You need balance, DonAndres, in your view of football:
You would trade everything for 11 Frenkies on a field who can move, pass and play triangles.

That is all nice, but you still need some good all dumb guys who can score (and ruin actions), some muscles, and other things than having 11 Iniestas on a field.
I mean, lately I see no point in replying to you cause every single post is the same: trade everything in football for more passing/technique/movement.
I know that you were a teen in Pep's years and that his football made a huge part of how a person will see a football later in their life.

Anyway, do you have any decent answer:
1. top4 teams at world cup, ALL had a good, old strong Cf in attack (Giroud, Mandzukic, Kane, Lukaku).
Real won 4 Cls with Benzema.
Why on Earth should we try something else and play WITHOUT a true Cf, or even worse, with Messi as a false 9 or a Cf?
Let me guess: because it worked in Pep's era :rolleyes:
2. another question: from all Cfs in the world, how many are still better than Suarez?
Kane not.
Benzema, not.
Icardi, not.
Lukaku, lol not.

Maybe only Diego Costa currently.
And Cavani.

So, there is no a Cf who is available, young and better than Suarez (or even close to him).
And about these ideas to play without a Cf with Messi/Cou/Dembele/Malcom, sorry, I can't even reply to those posts.
 
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