Luis Suárez
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GOAT_SUAREZ
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how many of them scored more goals than Suarez last year?
FCB1987
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Suarez: 31 in 51 (.61)
Aubameyang: 31 in 35 (.89)
Kane: 41 in 48 (.85)
Icardi: 29 in 36 (.81)
Lewandowski: 41 in 48 (.85)
Cavani: 40 in 47 (.85)
Aguero: 30 in 39 (.77)
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
Messi scored 34 last season.
Suarez 25.
If you remove Suarez and play Messi-Dembele-Coutinho, you will get roughly:
Messi 35
Dembele 15
Coutinho 15-20
Midfielders nothing since midfielders without Coutinho as a Cm are Raki, Busi and Arthur.
Basically: 65-70 goals
With:
Suarez 20 goals
Messi 35
Dembele 10-15 as a winger
Coutinho 10-15 as a Cm that is a different story.
= 75-85 goals in this case
Suarez is ruining attacks, but without a man in the box, you still have a sterile attack, too many defenders on Messi, and not too lethal finishers outside of Messi.
Not to mention a comedy vs parked buses.
Not to mention zero crosses and fullbacks need to pass yet another backpass to the edge of a box IN EVERY SINGLE ACTION.
With your logic about creating and passing, Spain should be a world champion.
Since they have 5 midfielders/attackers who are awesome in passing and movemnet.
But, not too many can score...
Also, with that logic, a lineup of:
Dembele-Messi-Rafinha
Busi-Coutinho-Iniesta
= should be awesome.
They can all pass well, move and similar.
You need balance, DonAndres, in your view of football:
You would trade everything for 11 Frenkies on a field who can move, pass and play triangles.
That is all nice, but you still need some good all dumb guys who can score (and ruin actions), some muscles, and other things than having 11 Iniestas on a field.
I mean, lately I see no point in replying to you cause every single post is the same: trade everything in football for more passing/technique/movement.
I know that you were a teen in Pep's years and that his football made a huge part of how a person will see a football later in their life.
Anyway, do you have any decent answer:
1. top4 teams at world cup, ALL had a good, old strong Cf in attack (Giroud, Mandzukic, Kane, Lukaku).
Real won 4 Cls with Benzema.
Why on Earth should we try something else and play WITHOUT a true Cf, or even worse, with Messi as a false 9 or a Cf?
Let me guess: because it worked in Pep's era
2. another question: from all Cfs in the world, how many are still better than Suarez?
Kane not.
Benzema, not.
Icardi, not.
Lukaku, lol not.
Maybe only Diego Costa currently.
And Cavani.
So, there is no a Cf who is available, young and better than Suarez (or even close to him).
And about these ideas to play without a Cf with Messi/Cou/Dembele/Malcom, sorry, I can't even reply to those posts.
Way to pull more numbers completely out of your ass, totally revise "my view of football" as if you can understand it beyond "thug", "slow", "schoolboy", "muscles". 11 Frenkie De Jong's on the field
give me a break. I've CONSTANTLY said that different roles require different traits and here you are saying all I want is 11 "schoolboy technical pussies" which you never fail to bring up. Wingers need to be dynamic, strikers need to have good holdup skills and a good presence at the defensive line as well as finishing, center mids need to be creative/mobile/technical, CDM's good positional awareness and physicality, etc.
Unlike you who has actually advocated a number of times that the best thing is to have a 4 man midfield entirely of thugs who press and run and can't create worth a damn. And then bringing up RM having Ramos/Casemiro nonstop as if that's relevant to your constant plea for everyone in our team save for Messi/Coutinho to be a thug
. As I've said before, no one wants 'incapable pussies' in every damn position. Or do you forget how much Bartra and Munir were roasted for exactly those reasons? When have I ever said a "true CF" is a bad thing? The problem is that Suarez is a horrible one right now and he screws up way more than he actually succeeds. Even Benzema would probably even be better for us than Suarez simply because of how good he is at holdup play, support play, positioning, pressing, etc. He also has been way more useful for RM in the CL than Suarez has been for us. There is a REASON he started all these years and it's because Ronaldo was incapable of being a pure 9 on his own.
Kane is easily better than Suarez, I know you aren't educated in that opinion. Kane scores more goals with worse service on a worse team, was far more effective in the WC, and far more effective in the CL. Stats prove this every step of the way. In fact there are SEVERAL strikers far superior to Suarez. This is almost as deluded as when you said Modric was "slow" and that Kroos was a "thug"/"workhorse". You clearly don't watch football when you come up with these opinions.
When exactly has Suarez helped us break down a parked bus in the last 2 years? I bolded this question, please do not dodge it. He was awful against Chelsea, awful against Atletico multiple times except like one game, awful against Juventus in 16/17. Please carry on and tell me how we've been so great at breaking down parked buses because of Suarez ever since he declined? When has Suarez helped us succeed in the UCL in the past 2 years?
Ideally you'd want a high caliber true #9 (Cavani, Kane, Costa, Lewandowski, and even Benzema compared to Suarez) but we don't have that so I don't see how Messi played as false 9 is any worse. Or has everyone forgotten that Messi's most clinical spells last season AND the games where we played the best football were when he was false 9 and Suarez was out?
And don't come at me with the crap about "but those were weak liga teams, not CL" as if Suarez has been anything other than a total disaster in the CL.
A "true 9" has never been the problem, the problem is Suarez. And if we can't succeed with the #9 we have then Messi as a false 9 honestly can't be any worse than a guy who has 2 UCL goals in the knockout stages for the past 2 years. 1 of which was a sorry excuse for a "goal" in that 6-1 vs PSG, might as well have been an own goal.
GOAT_SUAREZ
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So only Kane scored more in a similar league
ab739
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None of those players had messi feeding them sitters
Alik
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what'd you expect from "GOAT_SUAREZ"? Objectivity?
KingMessi
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Dude bashes Suarez all the time actually.
Barcelona_Boy
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But how to improve if he doesnt play? Only training isnt enough. Suarez scores less and less, that's why I think Dembele should get more playing time. He scored just a few minutes ago... I hope he will improve ... When not, 120 m was too much. But not only that, Suarez and Messi will not be younger, and Barca need someone who is and who plays better and better.
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