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Interesting stat hmmmm
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Interesting stat hmmmm
malvolio
Senior Member
You do realize that they've beat Betis at home with 2-0 while we won against them with 5-2? That's 3 goals difference from only one game. They are on 33, while we are on 37. So it's 4 goals against some bums at home represents the best attack in La Liga. Sound logic - keep pedaling on that one
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Yes I realise Barca score more goals and Atletico defend better as I said.
Atletico have failed to score three time in league...Barca twice and that is including away to Atletico by far best defence in the league... which obviously they cant come up against. Despite you claiming struggle to score more often.
Barca have scored most goals in league and scored in more games than Atletico and that is without a CF.
The point is Messi and Suarez together was done and fucking up shape of team. Correct to move on and try to improve things as going nowhere.
malvolio
Senior Member
Barcelona scored between 90 and 100 goals a season, for the past 10 years or more. Atletico scored around 60-70, in the same period. Right now we are on track to just about the same numbers for Atletico, but way lower for us. But you keep telling me what a great attack we have.
I didn't say we struggle to score more often. I've said we struggle for a goal in some games. Like the three draws at home that could have been put to bet with better finishing.
Atletico do have the best defense, but that is not news to anyone. Us not having a CF who scores constantly is a problem, that even Koemann admitted.
Team shape and all that is bullshit. We let him go because of his contract. Trying to improve with Bumwaite and Griezmann, yeah we turned it around. We're going places!
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
The the three draws at home could have been won with better defending also as Atletico manage. That has been the reason for dropped points and difference between two. Atletico can win 1-0 Barca struggle to.
Barca not having a CF is an issue clearly and Suarez is better CF individually than anything Barca have bar Messi in false nine but that is not the point. The point is the team was done with Messi and Suarez and was impactimg whole team trying to play for them.
He was let go because of contract and the value of it for what was bringing to team... and that was with Messi, terrible one dimensional team play built to protect them for individual moments.
Were going nowhere with Messi/Suarez frontline and it is about more than just who has replaced him at CF it is about how the team need to get back to playing as a unit.
malvolio
Senior Member
since simeone took over at atletico, they've nearly always had the best defense in the league. just as we had nearly always the best attack. so what you are saying about us having the best attack right now it's irrelevant because we are way off our usual numbers. instead atletico has the same number of conceded goals, like they always do.
we don't win by defending better, with few exceptions maybe. but we surely won titles by having a very good home record and outscoring opponents. so the three draws at home were usually fixed by our attack scoring more.
what you are saying about defending better is like saying we should be more like atletico. when in reality we are an attacking team that finishes opponents by scoring more, not by defending better.
that's why it is more important to us having a 15-20 goals a season striker, instead of bumwaite and griezmann.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
We need the fans, in 17-18 or 18-19 we outplayed every oppenent in camp nou. We scored 3/4/5/6 goals while now we struggle to score even 2 goals.
Nazario1985
Senior Member
Please explain.... 'cause maybe we are all watching the wrong channel !!!
malvolio
Senior Member
it sounded right for the conspiracy theorists in here. the same people that told us how poor griezmann, or poor fati, were bullied by suarez or messi.
Birdy
Senior Member
Yeah, that's an interesting stat. Source??
For an ageing Barca that lacks combined movement up front in the attacking part of the game, and intense pressuring when defending,
Suarez2020 is toxic... Maybe Suarez2015 would be good for that, but not Suarez2020.
For a side that plays like current Atleti, where he sits close to the halfway line - when the other 9 players are sitting back to defend deep - with no defensive duties, or when they are trying to unlock a defense by crossing & feeding a main striker - he has that role- then even Suarez2020 is fine...
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
Suarez is finished for the big teams, against Bayern or Real he was awful as he is slow as fuck and easy to defend but against small teams he is still a top class player. Problem was that he would never accept the bench role in barca so he needed to go.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
The problem was that we never brought someone to bench him tbh.
It's hilarious.
Wrong mindset, you would joining the title race too, if you didnt give him away to a direct rival.
So, you made it more difficult for us while also screwing your own chances at the league...congrats, i guess?
malvolio
Senior Member
that's the whole problem here. who would have benched him really? again with the bullshit that he was kept in the team by messi?
taking into consideration we haven't brought anyone half as good to replace him, the discussion about bench role is futile.
exactly! conspiracy theorists just banged on about how messi was keeping him in the team
instead he is leading the charts for the leader of la liga. poor judgement from barca.
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