Luis Suárez

[BarcaOG]

prime suarez (the liverpool beast and up to '16 in barcelona)>>>>>>>>lewa

 

[ZeRoberto]

Suarez of 2010-2017 was much better than Lewy ever was or will be. Remember his Ajax and Liverpool years as well as his heroics with Uruguay. Uruguay was in the final four at the 2010 World Cup and won Copa America in 2011. Lewy has great stats but if you take a closer look at his game and contributions, he is not as complete as people make him out to believe.

I cant read your biased posts. You want to look closer at their game and contributions ? Ok, so lets stats talk. Do you know that scientists created performance metrics to measure players performance in offense? For example we have xG rating that evaluated player scoring ability not by goals scored but by quality of chances he had. We have also xA for evaluate assist and xGoalChain that measure player involvment in every team possesion that leads to goal situation. I will cut details short, you can use google if you want.

Now lets check prime Suarez from his first 3 seasons on Camp Nou.
Average xG90(xG normalized to 90 minutes) - 0.805
Average xA90 - 0.419
xG90+xA90 - 1.224 ( so on average Suarez had 1.224 goals or assists per 90 minutes when he was on pitch

Average xGoalChain90 1.2313

Now time for Lewandowski in last 3 seasons
Average xG90 - 1.044
Average xA90 - 0.236
xG90+xA90 - 1.280

average xGoalChain90 - 1.235

Its easy to see that prime Suarez = prime Lewandowski, though Pole has slight edge as he misses significantly less games due to suspension or injury than Luis and that his stats in champions league(stats above are only from domestic leagues) are a lot better.

Stats lie? I'm curious if you have any valid argument excluding your aversion to Lewy.

 

[KingLeo10]

I cant read your biased posts. You want to look closer at their game and contributions ? Ok, so lets stats talk. Do you know that scientists created performance metrics to measure players performance in offense? For example we have xG rating that evaluated player scoring ability not by goals scored but by quality of chances he had. We have also xA for evaluate assist and xGoalChain that measure player involvment in every team possesion that leads to goal situation. I will cut details short, you can use google if you want.

Now lets check prime Suarez from his first 3 seasons on Camp Nou.
Average xG90(xG normalized to 90 minutes) - 0.805
Average xA90 - 0.419
xG90+xA90 - 1.224 ( so on average Suarez had 1.224 goals or assists per 90 minutes when he was on pitch

Average xGoalChain90 1.2313

Now time for Lewandowski in last 3 seasons
Average xG90 - 1.044
Average xA90 - 0.236
xG90+xA90 - 1.280

average xGoalChain90 - 1.235

Its easy to see that prime Suarez = prime Lewandowski, though Pole has slight edge as he misses significantly less games due to suspension or injury than Luis and that his stats in champions league(stats above are only from domestic leagues) are a lot better.

Stats lie? I'm curious if you have any valid argument excluding your aversion to Lewy.

[MENTION=4451]Birdy[/MENTION], is this you?

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

I cant read your biased posts. You want to look closer at their game and contributions ? Ok, so lets stats talk. Do you know that scientists created performance metrics to measure players performance in offense? For example we have xG rating that evaluated player scoring ability not by goals scored but by quality of chances he had. We have also xA for evaluate assist and xGoalChain that measure player involvment in every team possesion that leads to goal situation. I will cut details short, you can use google if you want.

Now lets check prime Suarez from his first 3 seasons on Camp Nou.
Average xG90(xG normalized to 90 minutes) - 0.805
Average xA90 - 0.419
xG90+xA90 - 1.224 ( so on average Suarez had 1.224 goals or assists per 90 minutes when he was on pitch

Average xGoalChain90 1.2313

Now time for Lewandowski in last 3 seasons
Average xG90 - 1.044
Average xA90 - 0.236
xG90+xA90 - 1.280

average xGoalChain90 - 1.235

Its easy to see that prime Suarez = prime Lewandowski, though Pole has slight edge as he misses significantly less games due to suspension or injury than Luis and that his stats in champions league(stats above are only from domestic leagues) are a lot better.

Stats lie? I'm curious if you have any valid argument excluding your aversion to Lewy.

LOL do you saw Suarez's goals and Lewa's goals? Suarez scored way harder goals during his peak than Lewandowski and Luis has played in a same team with Neymar and Messi so he wasnt the main goalscorer while Lewandowski is their main man.

 

[ZeRoberto]

and Luis has played in a same team with Neymar and Messi so he wasnt the main goalscorer while Lewandowski is their main man.

Keep in mind its double edged sword because talented teammates will not only compete with striker for shooting chances but will also create them. As for goals difficulty - role of forward is to score goals and create situations for teammates. Stats I posted clearly shows that both of them have similar contribution to team offense. You dont win in football thanks to higher notes for style. Team with more goals scored wins. Yes, Suarez is a lot better dribbler , but is this skil more valuable for team than Lewandowski heading? Is situation awareness and football intelligence less important than speed?

 

[Birdy]

[MENTION=4451]Birdy[/MENTION], is this you?

No, but he is presenting a valid point backed by stats.
Much better than what your clan does here: subjectivist projections marred with emotive language and insults, instead of clear argumentative points

 

[KingLeo10]

No, but he is presenting a valid point backed by stats.
Much better than what your clan does here: subjectivist projections marred with emotive language and insults, instead of clear argumentative points

Calma. You're exceeding your xBH (ButtHurt)

 

[BarcaOG]

Calma. You're exceeding your xBH (ButtHurt)

 

[ZeRoberto]

Ok, thanks guys, you persuaded me. Suarez is better , but its still not as good as prime Keirrison. Why? Because I like Keirrison more. I cant remember any bad Keirrison performance in Barca shirt.

 

[BarcaOG]

suarez.>>>>>>>kerriWHOOO???

 

[Birdy]

Calma. You're exceeding your xBH (ButtHurt)

LOL.
You don't even realize you are confirming what I wrote with every post of yours

 

[BarcaOG]

LOL.
You don't even realize you are confirming what I wrote with every post of yours

what is going on here!!!!111111

 

[Joan]

The same user who claimed Dembele was doing alright as he's not underperforming his xG and blamed his ineffectiveness on his teammates, is now supporting (ludicrous, btw.) argument rating the prime of a striker by the quality of chances he had? Which only partly depended on him. Lol.

 

[Birdy]

The same user who claimed Dembele was doing alright as he's not underperforming his xG and blamed his ineffectiveness on his teammates, is now supporting (ludicrous, btw.) argument rating the prime of a striker by the quality of chances he had? Which only partly depended on him. Lol.

If you are talking about me, I am not supporting any argument as you can see I didn't write any word denoting agreement.

I wrote it's a valid argument backed with stats, that can be refuted or not in a proper conversation.
But usually what you get here by users like [MENTION=19457]KingLeo10[/MENTION] is retard reactions of 15yr olds instead of proper arguments.

 

[KingLeo10]

If you are talking about me, I am not supporting any argument as you can see I didn't write any word denoting agreement.

I wrote it's a valid argument backed with stats, that can be refuted or not in a proper conversation.
But usually what you get here by users like [MENTION=19457]KingLeo10[/MENTION] is retard reactions of 15yr olds instead of proper arguments.

At least, I'm not the one who holds the opinion that Bayern 19/20 would beat Barca 10/11 the majority of times over 100 matches.