Marc Bartra

[Zebulun]

After watching him in a couple matches in the u21 we should seriously give this guy a chance. He's calm on the ball and assertive and good aerially. All he needs is some gym work, develop a strong presence and Be more vocal. Other than that he's the real deal. Puyol was given a fair chance, when last have we nurtured defenders? If bartra can't make it here then, i'd dare to say that as good as Varane is now, he would'nt have made it here either. I'm not sure if its rosell or tito who'se reluctant to use young academy players of late, then why don't we adopt a similar approach to RM, have a child club like getafe take our players give them playing time then we buy them back?


#Titoout

 

[Darko]

Barcelona had last year a deal with Liverpool defender Agger, but Vilanova rejected it because it could block the progress of Bartra. [md]

o Pep,where art thou?

 

[Stric]

After watching him in a couple matches in the u21 we should seriously give this guy a chance. He's calm on the ball and assertive and good aerially. All he needs is some gym work, develop a strong presence and Be more vocal. Other than that he's the real deal. Puyol was given a fair chance, when last have we nurtured defenders? If bartra can't make it here then, i'd dare to say that as good as Varane is now, he would'nt have made it here either. I'm not sure if its rosell or tito who'se reluctant to use young academy players of late, then why don't we adopt a similar approach to RM, have a child club like getafe take our players give them playing time then we buy them back?


#Titoout

I haven't seen most of the recent U-21 games, but I can agree anyway. I don't see how Bartra is significantly less talented or prospective than Varane, for example. Of course he needs to improve further, but he's not nearly as "bad" as some make him out to be. Or as his minutes would suggest. One thing I noticed is that he's showing great potential in the air. I would definitely be unhappy to see him leave. Honestly, not as much as would be the case with Thiago or Montoya or Tello, but still.

 

[JamDav1982]

Varane is on a different level to Bartra.

This comparison does Bartra no favours at all.

 

[jklz]

Bartra is an amazing talent, but he needs (like Piqué) a destroyer next to him. He won't function properly next to Gerard, I'm fairly excited to see him with Puyol and Mascherano (or the new cb) next to him in the 2013/14 season.

 

[darthvader7888]

I haven't seen most of the recent U-21 games, but I can agree anyway. I don't see how Bartra is significantly less talented or prospective than Varane, for example. Of course he needs to improve further, but he's not nearly as "bad" as some make him out to be. Or as his minutes would suggest. One thing I noticed is that he's showing great potential in the air. I would definitely be unhappy to see him leave. Honestly, not as much as would be the case with Thiago or Montoya or Tello, but still.

He's not bad, but he's no Varane.

 

[DonAndres]

Bartra is a sweeper type CB but doesn't have the ball playing abilities of Pique. Most of his long balls fly off the pitch horribly. Although he's still young and should be trained up to be a good backup or even replacement for Pique. He has good positioning but his tackling is very shaky and dismal. He has height and motivation aerially, but not much control and dominance. Not nearly as good as Varane, but still an above average prospect.

 

[jklz]

Bartra is a sweeper type CB but doesn't have the ball playing abilities of Pique. Most of his long balls fly off the pitch horribly.

Bartra has an amazing long pass, I don't know where you got that from. There have been plenty of games this season where he used the wings (mainly Tello) to great effect with his long balls.
He has been doing the same at the U21 Euros.

 

[jamrock]

one things for sure, he is not much worst than martinez based on what i have seen so far.
varane is great, but he came down to earth after having like 7 godly games back to back

 

[JamDav1982]

one things for sure, he is not much worst than martinez based on what i have seen so far.
varane is great, but he came down to earth after having like 7 godly games back to back

Neither Bartra or Martinez has been tested in anyway so far really.

 

[Stric]

I never said Varane was not better than him, I just don't see as big of a difference in terms of current performance and potential as many others do. Varane is massively overhyped. He's been very good, he's had a great season, especially one string of great games in a row, I don't disagree, but people are talking about him as if he's had 10 brilliant seasons in a row. He needs to show much further improvement and consistency in order to deserve the praise he's getting. Anyway, another big difference between Varane and Bartra is that Varane was given great encouragement, motivation and opportunities on various levels, and was deliberately chosen ahead of other senior and superior players, while Bartra was always the last choice. Tito even played an attacking-fullback/winger at CB instead of Bartra on several occasions. That doesn't help his improvement at all.

 

[JamDav1982]

I never said Varane was not better than him, I just don't see as big of a difference in terms of current performance and potential as many others do. Varane is massively overhyped. He's been very good, he's had a great season, especially one string of great games in a row, I don't disagree, but people are talking about him as if he's had 10 brilliant seasons in a row. He needs to show much further improvement and consistency in order to deserve the praise he's getting. Anyway, another big difference between Varane and Bartra is that Varane was given great encouragement, motivation and opportunities on various levels, and was deliberately chosen ahead of other senior and superior players, while Bartra was always the last choice. Tito even played an attacking-fullback/winger at CB instead of Bartra on several occasions. That doesn't help his improvement at all.

Why did Pep not trust a 21 year old Barta more last season?

Varane at 19 now would have walked into the Barca team the past two seasons.

 

[DonAndres]

Bartra has an amazing long pass, I don't know where you got that from. There have been plenty of games this season where he used the wings (mainly Tello) to great effect with his long balls.
He has been doing the same at the U21 Euros.

I think we're going to have to disagree here. I observed a lot that his long passes are very wayward and strong. Occasionally he'll get one right with Tello (the only one even remotely fast enough to reach Bartra's overpowered passes) but not with a very significant effect and not very ideal considering his usual inaccuracy.

 

[darthvader7888]

I never said Varane was not better than him, I just don't see as big of a difference in terms of current performance and potential as many others do. Varane is massively overhyped. He's been very good, he's had a great season, especially one string of great games in a row, I don't disagree, but people are talking about him as if he's had 10 brilliant seasons in a row. He needs to show much further improvement and consistency in order to deserve the praise he's getting. Anyway, another big difference between Varane and Bartra is that Varane was given great encouragement, motivation and opportunities on various levels, and was deliberately chosen ahead of other senior and superior players, while Bartra was always the last choice. Tito even played an attacking-fullback/winger at CB instead of Bartra on several occasions. That doesn't help his improvement at all.

Varane's a lot better than Bartra, but I do agree that he's overhyped.

 

[jamrock]

Why did Pep not trust a 21 year old Barta more last season?

Varane at 19 now would have walked into the Barca team the past two seasons.

pep played him plenty at that stage of his development, notice also that under pep he actually look a good prospect whenever he got a chance to play.

the x player and y age thing is a pretty crap argument.

though i am not saying batra is better than varane, but varane would have started at 19 for us under pep or tito