Martin Montoya

[serghei]

He's a mediocre RB. Has nothing going for him, not a good dribbler, not a very good passer, not an excellent defender, not a high football IQ, just average at everything. Sergio Canales broke his ankle FFS, there's nothing to talk about Montoya. Not a single Barca manager thought he was any good. Only this forum rated him.

He's in the Douglas class imo. Mediocre RBs.

 

[Flavia]

He's a mediocre RB. Has nothing going for him, not a good dribbler, not a very good passer, not an excellent defender, not a high football IQ, just average at everything. Sergio Canales broke his ankle FFS, there's nothing to talk about Montoya. Not a single Barca manager thought he was any good. Only this forum rated him.

He's in the Douglas class imo. Mediocre RBs.

That's a stretch. He is much better than Douglas, although he's not Barça quality. 67 appearances for the 1st team. Douglas is a segunda player, Montoya might be a good fit for Valencia.

 

[serghei]

That's a stretch. He is much better than Douglas, although he's not Barça quality. 67 appearances for the 1st team. Douglas is a segunda player, Montoya might be a good fit for Valencia.

Nah. Douglas is a semi-decent player imo. He might be a bit worse than Montoya, but they're both in the same class. Douglas could play for Betis as well.

 

[Flavia]

Nah. Douglas is a semi-decent player imo. He might be a bit worse than Montoya, but their both in the same class. Douglas could play for Betis as well.

He's much worse than Montoya, as a rb. Douglas couldn't play for Valencia.

 

[serghei]

He's much worse than Montoya, as a rb. Douglas couldn't play for Valencia.

Sorry, I just don't think he is. Yea, I know everyone makes fun of Douglas here, and that he's sort of our mascot and everything. Montoya was out of his league as well at Barca, only reason he caught some minutes was because he was a cantera player and there was no one better in the squad. I don't think there is such a gap in quality between Douglas and Montoya.

And Montoya could very well be a bench option for Valencia. Isn't Joao Cancelo the main RB they have? I can't see why Douglas wouldn't be able to be a benchwarmer for Valencia.

 

[Flavia]

Sorry, I just don't think he is. Yea, I know everyone makes fun of Douglas here, and that he's sort of our mascot and everything. Montoya was out of his league as well at Barca, only reason he caught some minutes was because he was a cantera player and there was no one better in the squad. I don't think there is such a gap in quality between Douglas and Montoya.

And Montoya could very well be a bench option for Valencia. Isn't Joao Cancelo the main RB they have? I can't see why Douglas wouldn't be able to be a benchwarmer for Valencia.

I've seen douglas playing for sao paulo, and Montoya for Barça. Montoya learned something from la masia, he's not that bad. He can defend, pass and cross better than Douglas.

 

[Stric]

Montoya is no Cafu, but he's young, has no record of frequent injuries, plays a position in which players (especially good ones) are rare nowadays and has a significant amount of top-level experience. Those traits alone make him worth a decent amount in a market where young players' prices are inflated to insanity. He'd be a decent mid-table player.

Obviously it's a matter of supply and demand, but if Digne is worth over 16M, then discussing whether Montoya should be let go on a free transfer is absurd.

 

[serghei]

I've seen douglas playing for sao paulo, and Montoya for Barça. Montoya learned something from la masia, he's not that bad. He can defend, pass and cross better than Douglas.

I've seen Montoya play for Barca as well. Probably seen 90% of the games he played for us. He looked average to me since the first time I saw him. Almost every pass he made was backwards or sideways. Never took any risks, looked like the kind of player who was happy to pass the responsability to one of his teammates.

I've seen Douglas too little at Barca, because he wasn't good enough for us. But Montoya wasn't either. He had no business playing for Barca. Never had the quality, if he wasn't a Barca B product, he would've been the spanish Douglas imo. Let's be honest, Montoya wasn't even the slightest threat for Alves' spot in the team. He only played when Alves was suspended/injured/rested.

That being said, I think Montoya might be slightly better than Douglas. Slightly being the key word here for me. I certainly don't think Montoya is "much better" than Douglas.

 

[Flavia]

I've seen Montoya play for Barca as well. Probably seen 90% of the games he played for us. He looked average to me since the first time I saw him. Almost every pass he made was backwards or sideways. Never took any risks, looked like the kind of player who was happy to pass the responsability to one of his teammates.

I've seen Douglas too little at Barca, because he wasn't good enough for us. But Montoya wasn't either. He had no business playing for Barca. Never had the quality, if he wasn't a Barca B product, he would've been the spanish Douglas imo.

I think Montoya might be slightly better than Douglas. Slightly being the key word here for me.

Well, he's not just slightly, or he would never got to 67 appearances. Neihter is good enough for Barça, but douglas is inferior in every aspect.

 

[serghei]

Well, he's not just slightly, or he would never got to 67 appearances. Neihter is good enough for Barça, but douglas is inferior in every aspect.

67 appearances, and I only have two pictures with Montoya in a Barca shirt in my head. The crossbar vs Madrid at 2-2, and the Canales dribble who almost got him injured. I'm not sure that's a good argument. Douglas might have actually done more in 67 games than Montoya was able to do.

 

[BarcaOG]

67 appearances, and I only have two pictures with Montoya in a Barca shirt in my head. The crossbar vs Madrid at 2-2, and the Canales dribble who almost got him injured. I'm not sure that's a good argument. Douglas might have actually done more in 67 games than Montoya was able to do.

What's your argument? Douglas has been around long enough to have played 67 or more times. That Montoya did but Douglas didn't just shows that the coaching staff understands very well just how bad Douglas is relative to the rest of the squad--of which Montoya was a part.

Anyway, I'm in the minority here since I actually always enjoyed Montoya and still think he has potential.

 

[KingMessi]

He's a mediocre RB. Has nothing going for him, not a good dribbler, not a very good passer, not an excellent defender, not a high football IQ, just average at everything. Sergio Canales broke his ankle FFS, there's nothing to talk about Montoya. Not a single Barca manager thought he was any good. Only this forum rated him.

He's in the Douglas class imo. Mediocre RBs.

That's incredibly harsh on Montoya.

 

[serghei]

What's your argument? Douglas has been around long enough to have played 67 or more times. That Montoya did but Douglas didn't just shows that the coaching staff understood very well just how bad Douglas was relative to the rest of the squad--of which Montoya was a part.

Anyway, I'm in the minority here since I actually always enjoyed Montoya and still think he has potential.

My argument is based on the idea that Barcelona youth products get more chances than other players, while not being necessarily better. In other words, an average La Masia player will get more chances at Barca than an average random brazilian from Sao Paulo.

 

[Flavia]

67 appearances, and I only have two pictures with Montoya in a Barca shirt in my head. The crossbar vs Madrid at 2-2, and the Canales dribble who almost got him injured. I'm not sure that's a good argument. Douglas might have actually done more in 67 games than Montoya was able to do.

Only because you only remember 2 occasions doesn't mean he was that bad. That's what's not really a good argument. Montoya played vs good or very good teams, and held his own. Douglas was toyed around by a 3rd division forward, and couldn't do a proper job during those cdr matches he played.

 

[serghei]

Only because you only remember 2 occasions doesn't mean he was that bad. That's what's not really a good argument. Montoya played vs good or very good teams, and held his own. Douglas was toyed around by a 3rd division forward, and couldn't do a proper job during those cdr matches he played.

He was bad. Only reason he ever payed for Barcelona under 4 managers is because Alves wasn't available (injured/suspended) or he was rested.