Martin Montoya

Meitux

Active member
All but two games?

Not quite.

Two of the three games against Madrid at the Bernabeu Barcelona dominated for long spells, one even when down to ten men.

Madrid dominated one of the three games at the Nou Camp.

The vast majority of problems against Madrid came down to horrendous individual errors - cant blame Tito for that.
The first half of the game that Adriano got red card was disasterous,we balanced it a little bit at the second but still we were lucky not to concede more than 2.Real had plenty of chances that they failed to score
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Lolz Alves underperformed the whole season and you picked the one of the few bad games Alba had. The logic :worthy:
In the confed cup the main culprit was Arbeloa not Alba. Seems to me you just make up stuff without watching the games

Why did Bayern target Alba then? They identified him as the wekness and were right.

As for Confed Cup - Albas defending was utterly horrible and teams targeted him.

Deny it all you like but it happened.
 
All but two games?

Not quite.

Two of the three games against Madrid at the Bernabeu Barcelona dominated for long spells, one even when down to ten men.

Madrid dominated one of the three games at the Nou Camp.

The vast majority of problems against Madrid came down to horrendous individual errors - cant blame Tito for that.

:lol:

Which game did we dominate at the Bernabeu? We should have lost the first by at least 5 goals and struggled to create chances. The second was against a severely weakened team. The third was against their bench and we got outplayed.

And we only dominated one game at Camp Nou. And the one game Madrid dominated, they completely dominated. They owned us 3-1. And the 1 was a consolation goal.

Anyways, Madrid dominated the second leg of the super cup, the second leg of the CDR and the league game in which we played against their bench. None of those wins were down to individual errors.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
The first half of the game that Adriano got red card was disasterous,we balanced it at the second but still we were lucky not to concede more than 2.Real had plenty of chances that they failed to score

Real had lots of chances largely due to terrible individual errors.

After the first half hour or so Barcelona dominted large spells with ten men and created numerous chances.

They started games in a similar way away to Real under Pep and got away with it this time they didnt. It happens but they bounced back well in that game and looked far from out classed.
 
Real had lots of chances largely due to terrible individual errors.

After the first half hour or so Barcelona dominted large spells with ten men and created numerous chances.

They started games in a similar way away to Real under Pep and got away with it this time they didnt. It happens but they bounced back well in that game and looked far from out classed.

:lol:

Real were easily the better team in that game.
 

ebc_99

Active member
Doing the right thing with the young players? :lol:
No he is not. How is barely playing Thiago and especially Montoya and overplaying the aging, off-form and/or injury-prone Xavi and Alves "doing the right thing"? Montoya should be the starter by now ffs.

Yes he is, Thiago played plenty and Montoya aswell, to play more they have to prove they are better options and they have not done that. Just because they are young doesn't mean they should play, they have to earn it.
 
Yes he is, Thiago played plenty and Montoya aswell, to play more they have to prove they are better options and they have not done that. Just because they are young doesn't mean they should play, they have to earn it.

They certainly earned more than what they got.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
:lol:

Which game did we dominate at the Bernabeu? We should have lost the first by at least 5 goals and struggled to create chances. The second was against a severely weakened team. The third was against their bench and we got outplayed.

And we only dominated one game at Camp Nou. And the one game Madrid dominated, they completely dominated. They owned us 3-1. And the 1 was a consolation goal.

Anyways, Madrid dominated the second leg of the super cup, the second leg of the CDR and the league game in which we played against their bench. None of those wins were down to individual errors.

No chance did they deserve to lose that first game by 5! A poor start littered with individual errors but after that Barcelona held there own, created chances and very nearly won.

Barcelona should have beat them 3/4-1 at the Madrid away game in Copa but poor finishing prevented it. No doubt this will be put down to an injury ravaged Madrid team though.

Madrid dominated in 3 games. Barcelona dominated in 2.

It happens but lets sack the manager as no one should be able to match Barca eh?
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
:lol:

Real were easily the better team in that game.

The first half hour they were and largely due to individual errors. After that for the next hour Barca matched them with ten men and probably created more chances.

The league game against Real the season before and only poor finishing saw them not being 2/3 up.
 
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instinct

Guest
Yes he is, Thiago played plenty and Montoya aswell, to play more they have to prove they are better options and they have not done that. Just because they are young doesn't mean they should play, they have to earn it.

Montoya is 21, Thiago 22. They have to compete with Alves and Xavi. Of course, Alves and Xavi are better but what do you understand under youth-work? It's about playing time to develop, improving, becoming better. Montoya and Thiago prooved that they are class but how can they proove more of their talent when the coach does not believe in them? Instead of thousands of useless crosses from Alves, Tito should have let Montoya play a bit more. The match against Malaga, Montoya did so well and even scored a nice goal. There is no way that playing almost all games with the same players will lead us to success in the future because we have the best youth academy in the world but what is it worth when there is no one who uses the diamonds correctly?
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Bayern identifying it and targeting him in the two games.

Watch the game again on youtube.

Clear as day they do it and it works.

I would say teams identifying him as a weakness and exploiting it is evidence.

Even teams in the Confed cup were doing it!

His runs forward are often without thought and his positioning is up there as the worst you will see at that level.

Bayern scored plenty of goals due to Alves getting targeted and often bullied in the air as well. He's constantly left the right flank wide open as well in the Bayern game as well. 1st goal, he got beat by Dante in the air. 2nd goal he got beat by Muller in the air. 3rd goal he left Ribery to run at the defense while he lazily jogged back and then disrupt them for Robben to eventually score because of Alba being fouled. 4th goal he was completely missing on the right flank with Pedro actually being much farther back than he was. In the 2nd leg he was lazy as hell once again in defense, constantly letting them outplay him on the right flank with ease. Alba himself had poor defensive performances, but don't go apeshit saying that Alba was the only one targeted and that Alves was superior in any way at all. As for the Confed cup both flanks on Spain had mediocre defenders but it was the double pivot that helped Alves and the lack of it that harmed Alba.
 
No chance did they deserve to lose that first game by 5! A poor start littered with individual errors but after that Barcelona held there own, created chances and very nearly won.

Barcelona should have beat them 3/4-1 at the Madrid away game in Copa but poor finishing prevented it. No doubt this will be put down to an injury ravaged Madrid team though.

Madrid dominated in 3 games. Barcelona dominated in 2.

It happens but lets sack the manager as no one should be able to match Barca eh?

Barca dominated in ONE game that wasn't against an injury ravaged team. Madrid, as you said, dominated in 3. One of which they played with their bench.

And btw, last season's Madrid side were pretty poor.

Not saying no one should be able to match Barca, but no one should be able to beat us 7-0. And we certainly shouldn't get dominated and be struggling to create chances in most big games we play.
 
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Cule4life

The Culest
Yeah lets blame individual errors (ironically for which the manager is responsible) instead of lack of penetration, power, speed and ineffectual wing play
 

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