Mateo Kovačić
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BBZ8800
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On Real's forums, their fans are more or less pretty satisfied with Kovacic:
http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/croatianizing-our-midfield-in-style-welcome-mateo-kova%C4%8Di%C4%87.2023790/page-8
So, saying that we more or less escaped the bullet with him is way exaggerated.
Not to mention that we have tons of our own "bullets" like Arda, questionable Rafinha, somewhat questionable Roberto, very questionable D. Suarez, extremely questionable Halilovic etc.
It is hard to tell whether Kovacic will ever make it in a top club like Real or Barca, but the same can be said about tons of our players also.
Also, it is highly possible that none out of 6 players mentioned above will ever be good enough to be starters in Barca or Real.
So, we have our own "bullets", Real has their bullets in Isco, Kova and others.
You have to take the risk and try sometimes.
He surely has/had the potential to make it at Barca or Real.
http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/croatianizing-our-midfield-in-style-welcome-mateo-kova%C4%8Di%C4%87.2023790/page-8
So, saying that we more or less escaped the bullet with him is way exaggerated.
Not to mention that we have tons of our own "bullets" like Arda, questionable Rafinha, somewhat questionable Roberto, very questionable D. Suarez, extremely questionable Halilovic etc.
It is hard to tell whether Kovacic will ever make it in a top club like Real or Barca, but the same can be said about tons of our players also.
Also, it is highly possible that none out of 6 players mentioned above will ever be good enough to be starters in Barca or Real.
So, we have our own "bullets", Real has their bullets in Isco, Kova and others.
You have to take the risk and try sometimes.
He surely has/had the potential to make it at Barca or Real.
raskolnikov
Well-known member
Somewhat questionable Roberto? he has been one of our better players this season and is etxremely versitile.
If anything we dodged a bullet in Danilo when Bob turned out to be a better rb.
If anything we dodged a bullet in Danilo when Bob turned out to be a better rb.
Trickykid
Active member
I'll admit I didn't bother going back in the thread, but who has claimed that "we dodged a bullet"?
Of course we didn't dodge a bullet, but we sure as hell didn't miss out on that one player, who's going to make RM unstoppable.
MaxY
Devil May Cry
Modric was called the worst transfer of La Liga. He was hated and he was absolutely useless and the change began with that goal vs Man. Utd in the UCL. Kovacic is 21,he's a huge talent and he has his country compatriot Modric alongside him. Modric is his idol and he can teach him plenty of things. Kovacic is already playing really well but we all know that middlefielders are the best when they're 27 years old up to 31. Most of the middlefielders hit their peak around that age. Not to mention that Kovacic was brought in to relief Modric and to be his successor. Modrić is 30 yo (and 6 months) old, he's going to play at top level for 3-4 years maximum. Kova will be just 25 years old then.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Kovacic surely:
1. isn't dodging a bullet
2. and isn't a player who will turn Real into an unstoppable machine which will steal trophies from Barca in the future
But imo, since he is from Croatia and a lot of other users also know him better (and watched him for years), imo, he is no worse than Roberto, Rafinha and similar guys and probably (imo) would have more chances to turn into a starter at Barca one day than some of our guys.
Which doesn't mean that Roberto, Rafinha, D. Suarez and others aren't awesome players.
I just think that Kovacic had more natural talent and potential (and lots of brains) to make it at Barca. As a starter.
Since Real bought him, he is more or less gone for our team forever.
Every fan has a right for their own opinion, and since I am from Croatia, I shouldn't have any agenda on Croatian players between themselves.
So, for example, my opinion is still:
1. I am sad that we didn't buy Kovacic, imo, he could have made it here because of his combination of natural skills and brains
2. on the other hand, our guy, Halilovic, I have sad tons of times on his thread, in my eyes he has 1% chance to make it here because he insanely lacks one out of these 2 factors (natural talent & brains). I won't write again which one.
Also, about Real's team, players and rotation, honestly, their team is a mess.
If Real had Roberto, who knows, he would probably look like a horrible player in their team and wouldn't get too many chances.
On the other hand, imo, Lucho rotates a lot and gives a lot of chances to squad players like Roberto and Rafinha and Lucho "turned" them into very good players.
My reply isn't about your post.
But in general, it is hard to compare players from different teams.
For our guys:
1. when we don't play well, we have Messi, he will save our asses and our players will win matches even if we played bad
2. without Messi, our team is still good and balanced
3. our coach rotates a lot
4. majority of our team is on a hot streak, and mentally full of confidence
Then, we have Real:
1. they don't have Messi to save their asses. They have that arrogant clown CR7
2. even without CR7, their team is a mess
3. their coach don't rotate too much
4. because of our trophies in the past 5-10 seasons, the atmosphere in Madrid is very poor, they fight all the time and do tons of stupid stuff
There were already some sarcastic comments about Kovacic like:
Again, not you Tricky, but I don't like when our fans have only Barca-glasses on their eyes.
And when everything from La Masia or from our team is a pure gold, and everything from Madrid is a pure shit.
2-3 Months ago we could read tons of comments like: "Give Grimaldo a chance, such a good player etc, such a talent, our board is so stupid. He can't be worse than Mathieu."
2 Months later, he played only a few minutes there, in a league-cup...
Not everything from our team is a pure gold. (Again, this is not about you Tricky, just my biggest problem with our forum is insane overhyping of all of our La Masia products and people just never seem to be learning anything.)
Anyway
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I don't personally think that Arda is a bullet.
Rakitic needed a lot of Months to turn into a key player.
Before that people laughed at his passing skills and his play in tight spaces.
I wrote that Arda is a bullet because people on Arda's topic are already talking about that.
So, I mentioned that in Kovacic's sense, that if we bought him, maybe he would played better/or the same as current Arda.
aka: Kovacic isn't a bullet, because we have similar players who could turn to be awesome or just squad players also...
Trickykid
Active member
Actually, rereading your post, [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], leaves me completely dumbfounded. Usually dodging a bullet in footy terminology means getting lucky somehow, and in this case it relates to not signing a player because said player's price doesn't equate well with quality, thus getting lucky by dodging the bullet.
Arda I can understand - do I agree? Not one bit. Being a newcomer midfielder with us is tough as nails, and more often than not new midfield signings need time, lots of time, before they get reasonably used to the system. Do you really think Arda has had enough time to be called a flop yet? Well, apparently you do...
Then we arrive at the real WTF moment of your post... Our youngsters, some who've worked their way up the ranks, and some bought a bit later, such as Halilovic and Suarez. You call these kids "bullets"? Seriously, buddy? Sure, we can agree than not all of them will make it big (if any), but they were either free or dirt cheap, making them a minor, minor risk all in all.
I really don't get your angle here... And I still don't see anyone who have even called Kovacic a dodged bullet.
Arda I can understand - do I agree? Not one bit. Being a newcomer midfielder with us is tough as nails, and more often than not new midfield signings need time, lots of time, before they get reasonably used to the system. Do you really think Arda has had enough time to be called a flop yet? Well, apparently you do...
Then we arrive at the real WTF moment of your post... Our youngsters, some who've worked their way up the ranks, and some bought a bit later, such as Halilovic and Suarez. You call these kids "bullets"? Seriously, buddy? Sure, we can agree than not all of them will make it big (if any), but they were either free or dirt cheap, making them a minor, minor risk all in all.
I really don't get your angle here... And I still don't see anyone who have even called Kovacic a dodged bullet.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Etc.
About Arda, I DON'T think he had enough of time.
About midfielders, my choice was Kovacic, but Gundogan and Arda were my 2nd choices. I wanted any good player but Pogba.
So, I like Arda and I don't think that he is bad or that he had enough of time.
I mentioned Arda in sense "if Kovacic is a failure or something", well then we have similar cases here.
And I don't think that either Kovacic or Arda are failures.
None of them had time yet to show everything they can and to fit into a team.
About me mentioning Halilovic, Grimaldo and similar, that is not related with your post or with Kovacic's topic, it is more my general reply about some posts on our forum in general.
Aka, we are Barca, we love our team and majority of our talents are a pure cold and everything from Madrid is a pure crap.
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