FCBfan22
Senior Member
A reminder: De Jong played through injury yesterday.
Matthijs de Ligt
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A reminder: De Jong played through injury yesterday.
I'm not dissing de Jong. In fact, i didn't even post in de Jong topic.
My thought has not changed. I told you that, when watching Ajax, it looked like a very naive team with a big weakness when it comes to defending.
I still think they are talented but far from the hype.
What i think is they were praised as if they were the incoming Messi of their respective position and they are not. They are good prospects though.
The players should not be blamed, it is unfair.
Instead, i want to praise Ajax. Very good businessmen. It is them that set the value of the players and they did very good.
In that sense, PSV should take lessons to benefit as much from their hegemony in Eredivisie.
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FCBfan22
Senior Member
True. Media overhypes everything these days.
I really think we should take a hard look at Yeray from Bilbao. He has some of that Puyol spirit in him. Sure, that cancer he had is an issue, but it shouldnt stop us IMO. He reportedly has a 30m release clause too. These absurd 90-100m valuations of players playing in the Dutch league are ridiculous.
Messi983
Senior Member
Jović, Maxi Gomez, probably even Werner with one year left on his contract should all be available for that money. These are players we are apparently targeting according to the rumours alongside Joao Felix and Nicolas Pepe who would be a bit more expensive and (for now) I don't see either of them as Suarez's replacement.
Well, I think we could use a traditional "9" more than a Villa type of striker in the future. I don't see Messi playing as false 9 as our plan A so we would need to play a striker on the wings like Villa/Henry. Since Suarez arrived Messi is used to have someone playing ahead of him and do a "dirty work" with the defenders (and Suarez he usually provides that even when he's out of form and not scoring). That's why I wouldn't mind Maxi Gomez eventhough he's not your usual Barça striker.
Also, do you think above mentioned players are really less mobile than a 33 yo Suarez?
De Ligt after 20 great games: Next Pique, Future best defender in the world.
De Ligt after 1-2 bad games: New Christanval, ain’t worth a single dime.
Let’s all chill out
Even established world class defenders have bad games.
Beside that, Ajax is a disaster at the moment. Put Ramos or Umtitit in this Ajax. And it really won't make a difference.
Yes they are THAT bad at this moment.
You can’t blame De Ligt for that. He’s the least worst player at the moment.
Don’t know what happened. But Ajax before the winterbreak, and Ajax after the winterbreak is like night and day difference
There is absolutely no cohesion in this Ajax. It’s like they al play for themselves
Won’t expect much from Ajax tonight. But i hope they can surprise.
Positive facts:
Ajax haven't lost at home since 5 november 2017.
Normally this Ajax is fearless at home (which makes them entertainment to watch). They always have the guts to attack. Ajax ain’t scared for Real Madrid.
So it should be an interested game. Real will get a lot of space. Hopefully De Ligt is ready for Benzema.
De Ligt after 1-2 bad games: New Christanval, ain’t worth a single dime.
Let’s all chill out
Even established world class defenders have bad games.
Beside that, Ajax is a disaster at the moment. Put Ramos or Umtitit in this Ajax. And it really won't make a difference.
Yes they are THAT bad at this moment.
You can’t blame De Ligt for that. He’s the least worst player at the moment.
Don’t know what happened. But Ajax before the winterbreak, and Ajax after the winterbreak is like night and day difference
There is absolutely no cohesion in this Ajax. It’s like they al play for themselves
Won’t expect much from Ajax tonight. But i hope they can surprise.
Positive facts:
Ajax haven't lost at home since 5 november 2017.
Normally this Ajax is fearless at home (which makes them entertainment to watch). They always have the guts to attack. Ajax ain’t scared for Real Madrid.
So it should be an interested game. Real will get a lot of space. Hopefully De Ligt is ready for Benzema.
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vlad
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Maybe because ajax, along with psv, they are like real and barca in a la liga, 2 horse race legaue, all others are far behind, take de jong and de ligt out, they would still be up there, so i would be careful about judging them based on eredivision matches
Saying ramos would not make a difference because this kid is also doing bad at the moment, is just nonsense, ramos is probably top CB in the world for some time on highest level, and you are mentioning this cb talent with him in the same sentence... He would need to catch varane first, which seems like a pretty hard task, let alone ramos
Saying ramos would not make a difference because this kid is also doing bad at the moment, is just nonsense, ramos is probably top CB in the world for some time on highest level, and you are mentioning this cb talent with him in the same sentence... He would need to catch varane first, which seems like a pretty hard task, let alone ramos
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You interpret my words wrong
What i meant to say is football is a team sport, not an individual sport..
Put Messi at Heracles. You think they will be champions in the Dutch League ?
I mean, Messi ain’t from earth. But is he THAT good, that he can make a Girona win the title ?
This Ajax is just terrible at the moment.
And The Ligt can’t do everything on his own
So ya. Don’t judge him after 1 or 2 bad games. Judge him on a whole season.
The Barca scouts will do the same. You think they will not buy him because he played a few bad games?
Even if Benzema scores a hattrick today. De Ligt will still be one of the most wanted defenders in Europe.
De Ligt have proven already that he can perform on top level.
He was great against England, France, Germany, Portugal, Bayern etc etc
He was great (at 17)in the Europa League when they reached the final. He won the Gold Award.
But we need to stop comparing our talents with legendary players (that's puts a lot of weight on his shoulders).
The media don’t understand, that De Ligt is just 19. Let him just play, let him make mistakes and learn from it. Everybody does (even established wordclass players).
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vlad
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Those matches with national team, were they competitive or friendly matches? As i dont watch eredivision, their legaue is quite low at the moment, and talents coming from there arent setting football world on fire, and this kid is just 19, his career can go both ways, but i would not see him as a long term solution for barca still, and for talent he is way expensive, and not ready to jump into pique boots still, umtiti is young, pairing 2 young cb-s without alot of expirience, is no for me
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Friendly and competitive
Yes it can go ether ways. Freddy Adu was also the next Pele. And we all know what happened
I know he is expansive. But you can also see it this way: If he can fulfil his potential. He can play as a Barca CB for the next 10-15 years. So whatever you pay for him. In the long run it will be worth it.
And yes the Eredivisie is a shitty competition. But the Eredivisie also produced some of the biggest players. So a weak competition doesn’t have to say anything. But i know a lot of people are skeptical about Eredivisie players.
BTW
De Ligt is a bigger talent than Frankie. If i had 86 mil to spend. De Ligt would be my first choice rather than Frenkie. And yes, i've seen Frenkie play for years now. Even before the hype. Before he debuted for Ajax. He's a really great player (still a bit overhyped) and has "something special” very few players have. But De Ligt is the true gem.
We will see what the future brings.
Messi983
Senior Member
They were played in a newly created UEFA Nations league
Most teams were taking that competition pretty serious (well, at least more than usual friendlies) so for the Netherlands to win against the last two World Champions (though Germany is pretty poor at the moment) is a remarkable achievement and De Ligt played well in all NT games I've watched.
Umtiti is 25 and with a lot of experience at both club and NT level so not exactly a youngster anymore. And before his injury problems he was a clear leader of our defense ahead of a more experienced Pique. MDL has also played some important games on a high level in his young career so I wouldn't mind to see them together in the future but high asking price and Raiola are the main obstacles for getting De Ligt and we also don't know when Umtiti will return to play and if he can get back to his pre-injury level.
Magyarkhan
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Mathijs is a real leader and has a good brain. I dont know if a young leader should play with other older leaders or to develop himself in a younger team
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Juventus is said to be the one at the moment where he is most likely end up at.
He's not just a captain. He's also Ajax's best player by a mile. And he's real mature for his age. Even in the way he talks.
Ajax is shit without De Ligt (and Ziyech/Frenkie to a lesser extent).
But to my opinion 19 is way too young to be a captain.
I know Ajax is always playing with young talents. But a 18 year (yes he was captain at that age also) old captain is new to me.
I think Blind or Tadic would have been a better choice.
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