Mavericky Puig

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
What power??? Spirit power??? Can you show me that???

No goal, no assist, no goal involvement...

Base on that logic, he also is the reason Barca lost to Celta last game.

If you would need goals and assists everytime to show your importance then iniesta and Xavi are candidates for WOAT title ;)
 

vegitot

Senior Member
If you would need goals and assists everytime to show your importance then iniesta and Xavi are candidates for WOAT title ;)

Please don't insult Xavi and Iniesta by comparing them to this Puig. This is exactly like what Bobo tried to insult Xavi by saying Arthur is more creative than him

Also, Xavi had 20 assists in Liga 08/09 (record till Messi last season), 127 chance created in Liga, 41 chance created in UCL that season.

Iniesta 16 open play assists in 12/13 is the highest number of open play assist...

And show me what power did Puig inspire Barca vs Granada???
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Please don't insult Xavi and Iniesta by comparing them to this Puig. This is exactly like what Bobo tried to insult Xavi by saying Arthur is more creative than him

Also, Xavi had 20 assists in Liga 08/09 (record till Messi last season), 127 chance created in Liga, 41 chance created in UCL that season.

Iniesta 16 open play assists in 12/13 is the highest number of open play assist...

And show me what power did Puig inspire Barca vs Granada???

“You watch the game, you don’t see Puig. You watch Puig, you see the whole game.”
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
I don't like going after a certain player like vegitot do with Puig or BarcaOG with Messi, trying to force your own narrative on people who like a player etc.
But I would really like to know what is the end point of Puig hype? when do we say "nah, he isn't for Barca" ?
The same "manager" argument was used for Arthur, Semedo, Malcom for example and only when they failed elsewhere it became clear the club and managers had a point.

So, do we wait till Xavi comes? or wait till Puig go elsewhere or what?
Not saying he is sure thing to fail, I hope he proves all of us wrong and be great, it is good for the club. But I am generally interested to know at what point to we stop hyping our youngsters and shift the blame to everyone but them.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
:lol::lol:

Seriously, your hate against Puig is annoying. See how he will convince you under a good coach! And then dont come to me and say''Pls pls Fati my friend can you forgive me??''

Just show me how he inspired Barca with his power vs Granada. Seriously, is there any edvidence will show that Puig would have won Barca Liga tittle this season???

And why should i even beg your forgiveness??? Did i hurt you or something???
 
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vegitot

Senior Member
I don't like going after a certain player like vegitot do with Puig or BarcaOG with Messi, trying to force your own narrative on people who like a player etc.
But I would really like to know what is the end point of Puig hype? when do we say "nah, he isn't for Barca" ?
The same "manager" argument was used for Arthur, Semedo, Malcom for example and only when they failed elsewhere it became clear the club and managers had a point.

So, do we wait till Xavi comes? or wait till Puig go elsewhere or what?
Not saying he is sure thing to fail, I hope he proves all of us wrong and be great, it is good for the club. But I am generally interested to know at what point to we stop hyping our youngsters and shift the blame to everyone but them.

I'm no that dude though. Just feel not right when user like Fati claimed Puig would won Barca Liga tittle or how he inspired Barca win over Granada without any real edvidence.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
I don't like going after a certain player like vegitot do with Puig or BarcaOG with Messi, trying to force your own narrative on people who like a player etc.
But I would really like to know what is the end point of Puig hype? when do we say "nah, he isn't for Barca" ?
The same "manager" argument was used for Arthur, Semedo, Malcom for example and only when they failed elsewhere it became clear the club and managers had a point.

So, do we wait till Xavi comes? or wait till Puig go elsewhere or what?
Not saying he is sure thing to fail, I hope he proves all of us wrong and be great, it is good for the club. But I am generally interested to know at what point to we stop hyping our youngsters and shift the blame to everyone but them.

He needs to play and disappoint for a period. If he had a season like Pedri had this year for example, it would be easier to say "nah he isn't for Barca"

He played pretty regularly a year ago, and impressed very much. He was neglected by Koeman but got to play some games again in winter and impressed again, then he impressed in 5min appearances.
He had some slightly disappointing appearences as well, but given the way he's been used, it's just another plus for him that those disappontments have been so few. It's tough to come in for 5 mins after being rested for months, and still make an impression.

As I didn't see him in training, I can only judge him by his games, and he gets too few to make a good judgement, but I hold on to him being one of the best midfielders right now.
Let's see what happens if another manager like Setien (at the start) arrives and let's him play, or if he goes to a club that believes in him.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
I'm no that dude though. Just feel not right when user like Fati claimed Puig would won Barca Liga tittle or how he inspired Barca win over Granada without any real edvidence.

Look, I agree with your opinion, but your last 7 posts are in this thread
By no mean I am trying to tell you what to do, but as an outsider you look like you are trying too much.
At some point, you made your opinion clear, let people enjoy praising their player.
Just the way I see it tbh :cheers:
 

vegitot

Senior Member
He needs to play and disappoint for a period. If he had a season like Pedri had this year for example, it would be easier to say "nah he isn't for Barca"

He played pretty regularly a year ago, and impressed very much. He was neglected by Koeman but got to play some games again in winter and impressed again, then he impressed in 5min appearances.
He had some slightly disappointing appearences as well, but given the way he's been used, it's just another plus for him that those disappontments have been so few. It's tough to come in for 5 mins after being rested for months, and still make an impression.

As I didn't see him in training, I can only judge him by his games, and he gets too few to make a good judgement, but I hold on to him being one of the best midfielders right now.
Let's see what happens if another manager like Setien (at the start) arrives and let's him play, or if he goes to a club that believes in him.

"A season like Pedri" lol
Read dawg:

It?s been a life-changing 18 months for Pedri. Plucked from second-tier club Las Palmas, the midfielder has become an integral part of Barcelona?s midfield in 2020-21 and made his Spain debut last week. Comparisons to Barca legend Andr?s Iniesta have naturally been made, but how far can the new kid on the block go?

this between the age of 16 and 18.

OK, take a breath and let us explain.

Yes, Pedri was just 16 years old when he was named in Las Palmas?s starting XI on the opening day of last season. In the Segunda Divisi?n ? Spain?s second tier ? the stereotype of the country?s intricate, passing football often goes in direct contradiction to the actual style of play. And physically, Pedri looked entirely unqualified to have been thrust into such an environment.

What people couldn?t see on the surface ? as was soon to be revealed ? was a level of intelligence that breaks all correlation to his age and experience. The teenager is a master interpreter of the ball, in its relation to time and space, while his diminutive frame helps him more as a tireless runner than it impedes him in physicality.

There had been little external expectation that Pedri would have a part to play in Barcelona?s present. After joining up with the club in preseason, however, the club?s initially reported plans that had centred around him leaving on loan ? possibly back to Las Palmas for not only one, but multiple seasons ? were soon abandoned. In choosing the direction of the team, new manager Ronald Koeman had been intrigued enough to think his career at the Catalan club could begin immediately.

Since that day in August 2019 when Pedri took his first professional step, his ascent has defied convention.

It was once assumed that Barcelona would have to grow their own heirs to the likes of Xavi and Andr?s Iniesta internally, without any indication of when the next talents of this mould would come along, but Pedri offers an unexpected alternative. Signed for just an initial ?5 million, Barcelona have reason to hope their midfield excellence from a former generation is possible again, and much sooner than they could have imagined.


Pedri: The New Maestro at Barcelona
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It?s been a life-changing 18 months for Pedri. Plucked from second-tier club Las Palmas, the midfielder has become an integral part of Barcelona?s midfield in 2020-21 and made his Spain debut last week. Comparisons to Barca legend Andr?s Iniesta have naturally been made, but how far can the new kid on the block go?

This paragraph is meant to be read quickly: A 16-year-old Pedri becomes a Las Palmas fixture, is the following season signed by this club Barcelona you may have heard of, immediately plays himself out of the club?s loan plans, plays himself into his own plans of becoming an indispensable starter at Barca and is now a senior Spanish international. All this between the age of 16 and 18.

OK, take a breath and let us explain.

Yes, Pedri was just 16 years old when he was named in Las Palmas?s starting XI on the opening day of last season. In the Segunda Divisi?n ? Spain?s second tier ? the stereotype of the country?s intricate, passing football often goes in direct contradiction to the actual style of play. And physically, Pedri looked entirely unqualified to have been thrust into such an environment.

What people couldn?t see on the surface ? as was soon to be revealed ? was a level of intelligence that breaks all correlation to his age and experience. The teenager is a master interpreter of the ball, in its relation to time and space, while his diminutive frame helps him more as a tireless runner than it impedes him in physicality.

There had been little external expectation that Pedri would have a part to play in Barcelona?s present. After joining up with the club in preseason, however, the club?s initially reported plans that had centred around him leaving on loan ? possibly back to Las Palmas for not only one, but multiple seasons ? were soon abandoned. In choosing the direction of the team, new manager Ronald Koeman had been intrigued enough to think his career at the Catalan club could begin immediately.

Since that day in August 2019 when Pedri took his first professional step, his ascent has defied convention.

It was once assumed that Barcelona would have to grow their own heirs to the likes of Xavi and Andr?s Iniesta internally, without any indication of when the next talents of this mould would come along, but Pedri offers an unexpected alternative. Signed for just an initial ?5 million, Barcelona have reason to hope their midfield excellence from a former generation is possible again, and much sooner than they could have imagined.

mins played by teens in all comps 2020-21
Pedri has played more minutes of competitive club action than any other teenager to play for a club within the top five European leagues in 2020-21.
Pedri has featured in 42 of Barcelona?s 43 games under Koeman. The only one he failed to appear in was away to Ferencv?ros in the Champions League group stage ? a game that he started on the bench, while the Blaugrana were 3-0 up after 28 minutes. In the most consequential games of the season, the teenager has been front and centre with Barcelona?s core players.

His 42 appearances for the club have equated to 2,850 minutes of playing time ? the most of any teenager in the top five European leagues this season, across all competitions. This carries extra significance in that the Tenerife-born midfielder won?t even turn 19 until next season.

So he?s 1.) young. 2.) good. You get it. Onto the details.

What Makes Him so Special?
Since his talents became obvious at Barcelona, Pedri has repeatedly been compared to one player: Andr?s Iniesta. As a youngster growing up in Tenerife, Iniesta was his footballing idol and the example he tried to follow. As Pedri has referenced in personal interviews, his affinity for the club legend went as far as to ask his dad if he could have the same haircut as him.

The request was denied, but he fortunately shares plenty of his idol?s more important features. ?I?m timid off the pitch, but I have fun on it,? Pedri admits. With Iniesta, he shares the same temperament, the same cerebral nature that so often typifies the players who transcend the midfielder tag to become virtuosos.

The great irony of Iniesta?s career is that despite scoring the most important goal in Spanish football history ? the winner in the 2010 World Cup final ? he was never overtly influential in scoring goals or being a chance-generating machine. Pedri?s debut season at Barcelona has followed a similar trend and wouldn?t be accurately depicted by focusing only on his tally of three goals and six assists.

For a player like Pedri in a possession-based system, sequence data allows us to dig deeper into his effect on Barcelona?s collective play. Sequences are defined as passages of play which belong to one team and are ended by defensive actions, stoppages in play or a shot.

Among the group of midfielders with 900+ minutes played in La Liga this season, Pedri leads all eligible players for shot-ending sequence involvement per 90 (6.2). This speaks to his role in facilitating Barcelona?s attacks and acting as conduit of play, as opposed to being directly involved in the defining actions at the end.

Factoring in the expected goal (xG) value of these sequences on a per-90 basis ? in order to highlight the quality of the shots they produce ? Pedri ranks third in the same group of players (0.8), marginally behind Fede Valverde and Frenkie De Jong.

The beauty of Pedri?s play lies in his versatility in the varying phases of possession. In the build-up, he appears as a willing receiver who possesses enough smarts to navigate under pressure and preserve Barcelona?s continuity on the ball.

Build-up play is defined as an open-play sequence that contains 10+ passes and either ends in a shot or a touch in the box, and Pedri ranks second in La Liga among midfielders with 900+ minutes played for build-up sequence involvement per 90 (3.8). The only midfielder ahead of him is teammate Sergio Busquets (4.3), who operates close by as a deeper option and often anchors the build-up in the initial stages.

Writing in the newspaper El Pais, Jorge Valdano ? one of the Spanish game?s great articulators in his post-playing career ? joked that Pedri is so embedded in his role as ?everyone?s associate? that he sometimes gets into the opposition penalty area and forgets there?s a net, while he carries on distributing.

Valdano?s insight was a playful way of highlighting Pedri?s unselfish tendencies, and only came after describing him needing ?(only) a glance to see football in cinemascope.?

While there is some truth to Pedri?s auto-pilot combination passing, the 18-year-old has still been one of La Liga?s most effective players in pairing general probing with more decisive passes. Pedri?s tally of three La Liga assists this season doesn?t quite reflect his creative ability. Even in a team blessed with Barcelona?s attacking talent, there?s no guarantee your handy work will be finished off.

Pedri has recorded 12 multi-chance involvements in La Liga, ranking him second only to Luka Modric (15) among all midfielders. This metric is related to the aforementioned sequence data, capturing all the instances where a player was both involved in the build-up sequence and also created a chance for a teammate later in the chain.

Another closely related area in which Pedri excels is the pass before the killer pass ? a defining feature of Barcelona midfield greats from previous generations. In other words ? as defined by our secondary chance created metric ? the pass that sets up the player who assists the eventual scorer. Only Lionel Messi has made more for Barcelona than Pedri (26) in La Liga this season, with the teenager residing firmly amongst the best of the rest across the division in Messi?s wake.

Wherever on the pitch Barcelona have the ball, Pedri is notable for his capability of association. From build-up play to creating chances in the final third, or whether just in their classic style of ball retention ? where they simultaneously probe for openings while defending, by means of hogging the ball ? Pedri is already a vital part of allowing Barcelona to be Barcelona.

After scoring his first Champions League goal last October at just 17 years, 330 days old versus Ferencv?ros, Pedri was filmed leaving the Camp Nou for home in the back of a taxi. It was an alternative reminder, just in case anyone had started to forget, just how remarkable his emergence within the European colossus was primed to be. Pedri wasn?t yet old enough to legally own a car in Spain.

Growing up in the Canary Islands, Pedri had been merely one of millions around the world watching Barcelona in admiration. Along with his idol Iniesta, Messi was the same mythical figure to Pedri that he remains to so many across the planet. The only difference in his case is that not only has he since climbed inside his TV set, but he?s already developed a chemistry with Messi that few ever have.

Although they come from different ends of the spectrum ? in experience, in achievement, in notoriety ? they share a football language. Barcelona?s master has a new apprentice in tow. One who could define Spanish football?s coming generation.

Source: OPTA Data.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
Look, I agree with your opinion, but your last 7 posts are in this thread
By no mean I am trying to tell you what to do, but as an outsider you look like you are trying too much.
At some point, you made your opinion clear, let people enjoy praising their player.
Just the way I see it tbh :cheers:

Agree. Just feel statement out of nowhere is really annoying.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
He needs to play and disappoint for a period. If he had a season like Pedri had this year for example, it would be easier to say "nah he isn't for Barca"

:lol:

If Puig at 21 would have a season like three years younger Pedri just had you and other usual La Masia cultists would already crown him as the next Xaviesta, not saying "nah he isn't for Barca".

Just saying.
 

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