Nelson Semedo

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Semedo is out of position there then Braithwaite switches off and Pique backs off too much.

Semedo should not be following Benzema out there and should be in shape with back four.

His positioning is often suspect but he has pace to get out of it a lot of the time.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
Aye, Semedo should know better Benzema is harmless when coming down there for a pass and will be looking for Vini anyway. The winger was only supposed to track once RB has come out too deep to the striker. In normal circumstances Braithwaite would have pressed down Kroos and Arthur would have taken away other middle options.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
The back four in that situation should be in line and narrow. Semedo follows Benzema out to area that midfield should be picking up and even of they dont him getting it there is not nearly as dangrous as the space left by Semedo following him.

Other players could have done more to stop the goal as well but Semedo left that pass on by following Benzema.

Pique is in the right place and he has a striker moving that the picture cuts out. Semedo and Braithwaite leave Pique exposed.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
Yes, agreed.

In fact pulling out a defender is a typical tactic used to break the lines since CBs then usually have to drop slightly deeper to cover should the pass go into space behind the defender that broke the line. Semedo 100% shouldn't have done what he did.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Semedo is out of position there then Braithwaite switches off and Pique backs off too much.

Semedo should not be following Benzema out there and should be in shape with back four.

His positioning is often suspect but he has pace to get out of it a lot of the time.

Lol, Semedo is in his position, Benzema goes in his space, so Semedo takes him under marking because he is obviously a threat. Semedo doesn't follow anyone. Pique under no circumstances should be that far off the corresponding fullback. There are 5 Barca players in the center, blocking 2 Madrid targets, while in the wing they pose a 3 vs 3 situation.

You just try to pin this on Semedo to suit your low opinion of him. :lol:

When a layer goes in your area, you take him on, don't let him receive. It's defending 101. When he leaves your area you don't follow him, true, but as long as Benzema is entering his space, which he does, Semedo has to focus on him.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Lol, Semedo is in his position, Benzema goes in his space, so Semedo takes him under marking.

No he isnt Semedo is out of position and should be in line with back four. It is basic defending.

He should not be getting pulled out of position by following Benzema.

The gap so big between Semedo and Pique... due to Semedo. Pique is in position.

There is no 'his space' for Semedo there he needs to keep in line with defence. It is very basic stuff at any level.

Likes of Simeone would go ballistic if his defenders wandered out of position like that following players to leave that space.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Yea, I can see this is going to be another situation where JamDav sticks to the same point over and over again. I give up.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Yea, I can see this is going to be another situation where JamDav sticks to the same point over and over again. I give up.

You should give up as you are totally wrong.

The right back should never follow his man and leave space there. It is far more dangerous to leave gaps at back than Benzema getting on ball wide and 40 odd yds from goal.

FDJ is poor on the goal as well. Totally flat footed as Real player comes across Pique and Pique caught in two minds and backs off too long.
 

LABarcaFan

New member
I don't see any club offering something even close to 50M, that just sounds way too good. 30-40M seems more realistic.

Selling Semedo if he doesn't renew isn't a bad idea, what worries me more is how the club will react. If it means Sergi Roberto goes back to being the undisputed RB starter then i hope nobody is gonna buy Semedo :lol:

Most likely that will be the option if Semedo leaves and it is the worst case scenario to me. Roberto has absolutely no value as a starter for Barcelona. At best he can be 3-4 option at CM.
 

LABarcaFan

New member
Just what I wanted to say. Premiere type managers wouldn't just accept their team being butchered and crap being shipped in. They'd step in in these moments.

But maybe this is bullshit. Wouldn't be the first time with Sport and MD.

Mundo Deportivo is run by our board. Ask "Anndersito" if you don't believe.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
When a layer goes in your area, you take him on, don't let him receive. It's defending 101.

:lol:

There is no reason to be following Benzema who needs to either receive and turn at 40 yards on the left wing, or lay it off to Vinicius. The more likely of the two was the latter and Semedo would have been in perfect position to stop the run if he didn't follow forward forcing Pique to close the space behind him.

Simeone's low block never takes these baits and lets the forwards knock it around as long as they please until ~5-10m from the penalty area. Trying to follow a striker and intercept a pass in this circumstance is fruitless and reckless. You're wrong dude.
 

serghei

Senior Member
:lol:

There is no reason to be following Benzema who needs to either receive and turn at 40 yards on the left wing, or lay it off to Vinicius. The more likely of the two was the latter and Semedo would have been in perfect position to stop the run if he didn't follow forward forcing Pique to close the space behind him.

Simeone's low block never takes these baits and lets the forwards knock it around as long as they please until ~5-10m from the penalty area. Trying to follow a striker and intercept a pass in this circumstance is fruitless and reckless. You're wrong dude.

What are you talking about, if Semedo is not there, Benzema is the most dangerous and easiest player to pass the ball to. I know you hate him ffs, but :lol: it's hilarious how wrong you are. Easiest pass to make is to Benzema. You can even see him asking the ball.

Forget about what happened. Judge the play before the pass is made. Pique should be closer to Semedo. Simple as. And Umtiti adjusts accordingly. It's an easy play. You have a 3 vs 3 in the wing, and a 5 vs 2 centrally, we basically keep 5 (!!!) players there to mark a couple of unlikely targets by Madrid, while their 2 most dangerous attackers are creating a 3 vs 3 on our right. Easy-peasy, central players translate more to the right where the action is, because they have no one to mark. It's one of the basics of modern defending. This is ball oriented zonal to create a compact shape around the ball, not space oriented zonal like in the 90s. You adjust in relation to the ball. If attacking team brings more players around the ball, you counter-move. You don't pretend everything is fine while leaving the flank be overpowered, just so you can keep your "supposed position". Positions are relative. What is good in a particular situation is bad in another situation. Here the shape doesn't adjust according to Madrid's attacking moves. We are faced with a 3 vs 3, in which Madrid's attackers use the advantage to score a goal. A 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, 1 vs 1 in attack is always a favorable situation for the attacking team.

Pique is simply too far off Semedo. It's why Kroos pulls the trigger there in the first place lol. If it's 3 vs 4 this is almost never a goal. But it's 3 vs 3 because Pique is out of the action. He is so far out that he escorts Vinicius up until he's 6 meters off Stegen.

What you say was what football was in the 90s. In the late 00's teams started to move more players near the ball and create superioty. And defending teams have to adjust positionally to this. If you keep your shape and allow teams to create superiority in micro-zones, like you or JamDav are implying you are fucked.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
What are you talking about, if Semedo is not there, Benzema is the most dangerous and easiest player to pass the ball to. I know you hate him ffs, but :lol: it's hilarious how wrong you are. Easiest pass to make is to Benzema. You can even see him asking the ball.

Forget about what happened. Judge the play before the pass is made. Pique should be closer to Semedo. Simple as.

Semedo causes the hole in defence and Pique pulling into that space is far too big a gap between CBs.

Easiest pass is to Benzema and midfield should be helping out more to stop it but Semedo following him and being out of positin makes the situation worse.

No Pique should absolutely not be 'closer to Semedo' he is in position as are other two. It is on Semedo that space is left and Pique is in position with the other defenders and has attacker to worry about that FDJ did not track.

A pass into Benzema feet 40 odd yds from goal and with defence in shape is nowhere near as dangerous as breaking the defensive line and leaving holes.

No team the defends deep would get away with doing that and are all about keeping the shape.

In that situation the defence is there to make it as difficult as possible for opposition to break the lines not worry about 'the easiest pass' that would have caused little danger in comparison.
 
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El Gato

Villarato!
It's as if you're trying to not understand serghei and ignore what's happening in that moment.
Benzema is not going to do anything as he receives the ball, because he's not going to shoot from there. His goal is to force exactly what happened i.e. pull Semedo out, which Carvajal has also spotted and Kroos also tried to send him in. Kroos is actively trying to not give him the ball because he knows Benzema has come down low to pull Semedo out. He doesn't give Carvajal the ball because he knows he'll go nowhere making a diagonal run on his wrong foot and Pique follows him (though FDJ is poor not covering it and forcing Pique to move). The whole point of the Benzema movement was to create that gap, not to receive the ball. And if there is no gap, Kroos gives him the ball and he goes nowhere with it and has to give it back. He would never shoot from 40 yards. Benzema is ZERO danger in that position.

Green is where the defenders 'should have' been positioned.
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