Nelson Semedo
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JamDav1982
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No. Basically allowing Benzema to receive the ball in a dangerous position..
Benzema is not in a dangerous position.
Dangerous is leaving the back line and leaving a gap for Real to break the lines.
Pique is positioned properly and having to deal with attacking run from Real.
serghei
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Yea, just as I thought, you think Benzema is crap so somehow he needs to be allowed to create superiority and receive at will.
All of Pique, Umtiti, and Alba are blocking 1 player from Real who's not even a forward.
Benzema is technically Pique's marker. So you're trying to tell me, that Benzema gets away from Pique's zone, enters Semedo's zone, but somehow nobody should even bother him and allow him to receive the ball at will. Yea... no.Benzema enters Semedo's zone, is a threat there, Semedo blocks him, Pique needs to adjust. Then Umtiti a bit as well.
Something similar to this.
If Pique is there, Vinicius is handled before he enters the box.
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JamDav1982
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No they are all keeping their defensive shape as top teams defending in that situation do.
The shape was fine until Semedo steps out.
It is about making Real find spaces not about man marking anyone in site.
Those three are about only three doing their job there.
Midfield is a shambles protecting the space and Semedo is on walk about.
Go watch again.... there are three Real players for Pique/Umtiti and Alba to try and consider on that attack and that is not including Viniscius.
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El Gato
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He creates no superiority anywhere at 40 yards.
You honestly think this:
... is not better than what happened? Haha.
Semedo waiting in line would have been ready to block Benzema on the turn. He got pulled out and space was created. Total mistake.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Well you also wrote that Pique, Umtiti and Alba had one player to deal with when they had three so your assumptions are false.
Any defensively sound team in that situation the number one importance is keeping shape and not letting teams break the lines. That is not even debatable.
serghei
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Those who slam Benzema all the time should watch the goal a bit and understand why Benzema still plays for Madrid, and why he is a top player still. He makes a bad situation for Madrid a favorable one.
You do not look at the ball at all. Defending in modern football is done in relation to the ball. Kroos has access to two players right away. Benzema and Vinicius. All the others can be got to with a lot more passes, so more time. The time it takes to complete the passes and move the game in that direction is used by the defense to correct the positions. In that situation we fail to protect the vulnerable side because we have too many players in areas that Kroos doesn't have access to very fast.
That's how modern defending is done. Not like you say, standing on some basic positions regardless of what the opponent does and then witnessing how they create overloads.
You do not look at the ball at all. Defending in modern football is done in relation to the ball. Kroos has access to two players right away. Benzema and Vinicius. All the others can be got to with a lot more passes, so more time. The time it takes to complete the passes and move the game in that direction is used by the defense to correct the positions. In that situation we fail to protect the vulnerable side because we have too many players in areas that Kroos doesn't have access to very fast.
That's how modern defending is done. Not like you say, standing on some basic positions regardless of what the opponent does and then witnessing how they create overloads.
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Vilarrubi
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Yea, just as I thought, you think Benzema is crap so somehow he needs to be allowed to create superiority and receive at will.
All of Pique, Umtiti, and Alba are blocking 1 player from Real who's not even a forward.
Benzema enters Semedo's zone, is a threat there, Semedo blocks him, Pique needs to adjust. Then Umtiti a bit as well.
Something similar to this.
If Pique is there, Vinicius is handled before he enters the box.
Agree actually, CBs should drift over to the side of the pitch where the ball is. In this instance Pique and Umtiti are way too far away from the action.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No they shouldnt and Semedo had literally stepped out of position a couple of seconds or so before that and Pique was tracking the run of Real player.
If the whole game shifts across then CBs can shuffle from side to side a bit but not there and had no time or chance to do it anyway.
Umtiti is covering the striker there an wont just leave him to drift across with Pique.
The system has failed if your CB is being left one on one with wingers due to a pass like that no matter where Pique was.
If Pique comes across and earlier... Carvajal is left free in middle for cut back anyway.
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El Gato
Villarato!
That's discussing the aftermath of the original mistake. There would have been no reason to move if Semedo hadn't. Shape was compact as it was before it was broken.
He does nothing but defender baiting here. Most smart defenders don't take it and we suck as a result, because he can't beat anyone 1 on 1 anyway as he turns towards the goal after receiving it. You should watch him more.
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serghei
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Yes, this is basically the transitions from situation to situation. Because we are so crap at moving it affects how quickly we readjust to specific game situations. Basically in this time old and slow Pique takes time to react to what Benzema does and correct his position.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No it isnt.
Semedo was in position a couple seconds before that and when Pique realised the mistke Semedo had made he had an attacking run to cover also.
Pique could not have been there unless was far to close to Semedo to begin with and if Pique is there who is covering the run into box that carvajal would have made?
You claim there was 'one' attacker to cover when there was three.
serghei
Senior Member
This is why I said Umtiti readjusts. If you look at the sign I made, Umtiti and Pique are very well placed to deal with the action. Umtiti would be in a good position to both double team Pique if Vinicius tries a dribble, and block a cutback pass to Carvajal.
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