Stoichkov1
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Nonsense. Rakitic was covering Guedes.
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Nonsense. Rakitic was covering Guedes.
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MessiCam
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He was not, he was too far away. When Guedes receives the ball Rakitic is still some 20 metres away... If Semedo decides there and then to cover the overlap then Guedes is clean through.
FCBfan22
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Semedo might be more responsible for Valencia's goal than Rakitić. But Rakitić almost certainly wasn't covering Guedes. You really believe that Rakitić would catch him if he went sprinting directly at our goal? Maybe Umtiti would stop him later, but not Rakitić (and that's what would happen if Semedo went to cover the overlap).
Semedo can stop WC wingers, but he needs help from RCM or RW. Against Juve he had that help in form of Deulofeu (who did his defensive duties very well). Against Valencia he didn't have noone. And that's why I believe the solution to covering world class LW's is to play Semedo in RB and Sergi Roberto at RW. If we play any match against world class pacey LW in 442 with only Rakitić+a full back (doesn't matter who) on the right side, we will get shafted from the left wing again.
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MessiCam
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We play without wings and the full backs have to provide all the width... That's on Valverde. But that sort of play in 4-4-2 can easily leave you very exposed once possession is lost because the 2 central midfielders could end up playing 1 vs 1. I am not a fan of any system that has only 2 central midfielders.
serghei
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Come on... 
it was obviously Rakitic's goal. He was gassed to the point that he couldn't do a single thing right. In his position he could have done 4 different things, that would've stopped the goal. 1) could have put pressure on Parejo, so he can't pass the ball to Guedes so soon, 2) Could have blocked the ground pass by covering Guedes with his shadow, so that Guedes either has to move back a bit to receive, or Parejo has to make a lobbed pass (in which case the ball travels slower, and Rakitic has time to help Semedo), 3) if you don't have the legs anymore, just don't leave a player like Gaya completely free, or 4) if you don't do any of the first 3 at least do something to stop the cross, maybe a sliding tackle or something.
it was obviously Rakitic's goal. He was gassed to the point that he couldn't do a single thing right. In his position he could have done 4 different things, that would've stopped the goal. 1) could have put pressure on Parejo, so he can't pass the ball to Guedes so soon, 2) Could have blocked the ground pass by covering Guedes with his shadow, so that Guedes either has to move back a bit to receive, or Parejo has to make a lobbed pass (in which case the ball travels slower, and Rakitic has time to help Semedo), 3) if you don't have the legs anymore, just don't leave a player like Gaya completely free, or 4) if you don't do any of the first 3 at least do something to stop the cross, maybe a sliding tackle or something.
clemente
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You are just desperate to find a way to shit on Rakitic, if Roberto was there late to track back you wouldn't say a word on it, its PATHETIC.
Okay then go and follow the overlapping player, player in that position will always be the bigger threat, the guy before pass would be outside the box with a way to go and if Rakitic had not catched up to defend and he somehow scored a goal from there then yes its Rakitics faul, but this is all on Semedo, he made the wrong decision, its the most basic mistake, I don't understand why are people here trying to find a way to defend him.
Rewatching this I realised Rakitic is there perfectly in time, what the shit are people even talking about here?
JamDav1982
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Poor defending by both of them.
Semedo gets caught flat footed and body position all wrong when he should be getting ready to try and cover overlap as more dangerous situation.
Rakitic should have been across earlier to push him onto the overlap if needed not bombing it back with the fullback as seems to be getting suggested.
There is no way whatsoever Raki should be matching the run of the fullback there. Unless man marking him and miles out of position to defend as a four in midfield.
Semedo gets caught flat footed and body position all wrong when he should be getting ready to try and cover overlap as more dangerous situation.
Rakitic should have been across earlier to push him onto the overlap if needed not bombing it back with the fullback as seems to be getting suggested.
There is no way whatsoever Raki should be matching the run of the fullback there. Unless man marking him and miles out of position to defend as a four in midfield.
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FCBfan22
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Can you read? I said that it's majorly Semedo's fault with his half assed interception attempt. But if Rakitić arrived a few seconds earlier, Semedo's only job would be covering the overlap. Also our CB's could have done better.
Watch the Juve game again, Deloufeu always helped Semedo with situations like that. With no wingers and slow Rakitić he was exposed. We are now defending with only 8 players in a very narrow formation, so our fullbacks will likely suffer again.
Neeraj
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Lol, and what the hell is Semedo supposed to? Just leave the player and start running after the overlap? Once the ball is passed, he cannot run faster than the ball and get to the runner for gods sake.
As for your Roberto comment - I might have said it's Roberto's fault, and moved on. We wouldn't shit on him cause he's actually been good for us, unlike Rakitic who's been useless and provides nothing, 90% of the time. If someone is shit and makes a mistake, he's going to get called out more. Messi won't get called out for a mistake cause he's that good. You're trying too hard.
serghei
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Yea seems like Semedo should have just cleared the way for Guedes to enter the box and score. On his right foot too. If Semedo moves to cover the overlap, Guedes gets in the box in a more dangerous situation, as Rakitic was very late to react. As it was, Gaya still had to place a perfect cross and Umtiti to make a mistake for them to score. Gaya did well there, normally that's not a critical position to concede. It's a crossing position but it's not immediately threatening, if we do our job. So even with Gaya there with the ball, we could have done well to block the cross or block Rodrigo. Umtiti and Vermaelen both make mistakes there in the box, and even Stegen could have maybe done more as the cross was quite close to him (although it was struck with some pace).
Everybody can tell you that the central zones are considered the most dangerous. You cover that first, even at the expense of leaving the outside areas free. You always block the easiest access to the goal, and that's what Semedo did there. Stuck with Guedes in a 1 vs 1, one of Valencia's most dangerous players on the ball.
Don't agree at all with the notion that fullbacks need to leave their man (the opposite team's winger) alone so they can block a "potential" pass to an overlapping fullback. In 4-4-2 it's the midfielder's job to track the runs of attacking fullbakcs.
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JamDav1982
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Semedo should be in better position to try and track the overlap knowing Raki has come across to help with Guedes.
His body position was terrible and achieved nothing. Made it obvious overlap was on.
His body position was terrible and achieved nothing. Made it obvious overlap was on.
clemente
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Thats the thing that Semedo has no idea where Rakitic is, he did a mistake by not following the overlapping player, lets not act that he did that because of Rakitic.
Can you see where Guedes is? Of course you leave him, Rakitic is there in time and Busquets with Umtiti will be on him in no time. And I dont even know what you mean run faster than the ball, that overlap was late as shit, Semedo could have covered here everything perfectly.
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