Neymar Jr. - v5

[PhilS]

Freedom of speech would be relevant if the issue was whether or not the flamer can flame at all. But this website is a voluntary association, privately owned, and certainly can regulate postings and enforce behavioral norms. I do not participate in the management of Barca Forum, but I am in favor of censoring all idiotic, ridiculous, endless back and forth exchanges. I don't come to this website to read or participate in flamewars. Say it once, then move on. Crackpot is OK, welcome to the club. No obsessional wars.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Suggests either way "we" will complain about something. . .

That is stupid and unsurprising coming from a troll who rates Tolisso over Verratti.

Post #2821 bud.

What about it ?

 

[JamDav1982]

That is stupid and unsurprising coming from a troll who rates Tolisso over Verratti.



What about it ?

You assumed something that was not even remotely said and asked me about it.

 

[Barcaman]

You guys can talk day and night about which side starts flame wars here everyday. It doesn't matter, only one side has a member with a borderline unhealthy obsession for Neymar..

I assume you are not counting yourself as obsessed

 

[mark1nhu]

I assume you are not counting yourself as obsessed

Obviously not. You're out of your mind if you think that (probably because your personal thing against me, but I digress).

 

[TornAndFrayed]

You assumed something that was not even remotely said and asked me about it.

No it's you who misunderstood from the start, I'm gonna take it real slow for you this time.

me:

Some members have never done anything other than defend neymar at every opportunity. That is clear as day.

you:

Can defend any player you want if think criticism is over the top and unfair.

You "missed" the point right from the start, as I'm criticizing people who look for an angle to defend Neymar just like BBZ looks for an angle to attack him.
So I had to illustrate my point further to help you hopefully see it.

me:

Someone got BBZ good when they said that he's criticizing Neymar's lack of goals now but two years ago "blamed" his good goalscoring form on la liga being weak.

It's the same phenomena in the opposite direction. For example if Neymar had finished his chances better but assisted less they'd be arguing that neymar's role is to finish and help out midfield, not assist. etc.

you:

I would say if Neymar is producing goals OR assists then he is doing his job in the final third. That is the difference. It isnt the same phenomena.

Blatantly "misunderstood" my point again. I am saying, had Neymar had scored more and assisted less, the "biased defenders" that I criticize would simply argue that Neymar's job was to score and not assist = ney did his job great. And if he assisted a lot but barely scored, they would say his role is to create and not score = ney did his job great.

You don't think that. You think "If Ney produces G+A, then good, if he doesn't, bad". That has nothing to do with what i said at all. You just went on a tangent completely on your own there. So in the next post, I prove this.

me:

If Neymar scored and didn't assist you'd be arguing his role was not to assist ?

you:

No I wouldnt

me:

Then you're not doing what i'm saying others do.

Despite this being a crystal clear interaction, you decided to keep spinning this shit from another angle, like i want to censor people for responding to BBZ

you:

But others can point to what Neymar IS doing in response to BBZ

me:

Again that's not what I'm talking about at all, please stop.

You then devolved further

you:

It is responding to what you are talking about.

Stop if you like.

me:

It's not. Wanna play the yes/no game ?

you:

Yes.

I then explained again where you "misunderstood" me.

me:

You're saying I'm criticizing people because they point out what Neymar is doing in response to BBZ doing the opposite.

That's wrong and frankly idiotic as the whole thing is not even one page long. People can make their own minds about this

you:

And you make posts telling me how I respond to BBZ.

Post #2821 bud.

Confronted with your own "misunderstanding", you simply chose to ignore it and replied with a poorly phrased "equivalent attack"

And you make posts telling me how I respond to BBZ.

So, your way to end a conversation which you prompted out of your own misunderstandings is simply to ignore everything and launch another stupid attack based on another of your "mistakes" as described earlier in this post, which i'll paste here again.

you:

I would say if Neymar is producing goals OR assists then he is doing his job in the final third. That is the difference. It isnt the same phenomena.

Blatantly "misunderstood" my point again. I am saying, had Neymar had scored more and assisted less, the "biased defenders" that I criticize would simply argue that Neymar's job was to score and not assist = ney did his job great. And if he assisted a lot but barely scored, they would say his role is to create and not score = ney did his job great.

You don't think that. You think "If Ney produces G+A, then good, if he doesn't, bad". That has nothing to do with what i said at all. You just went on a tangent completely on your own there. So in the next post, I prove this.

me:

If Neymar scored and didn't assist you'd be arguing his role was not to assist ?

(this is the post 2821 lol)
you:

No I wouldnt

me:

Then you're not doing what i'm saying others do.

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Good luck climbing out of that one.

 

[JamDav1982]

Makes perfect sense to me.

Please stop trying to make up what I am saying.

Thanks.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Makes perfect sense to me.

Please stop trying to make up what I am saying.

Thanks.

Weak, dishonest and cowardly. Found out.

 

[JamDav1982]

Weak, dishonest and cowardly. Found out.

Cool.

I am 100% happy with that accurate transcript.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Cool.

I am 100% happy with that accurate transcript.

It is. This convo really exposes you and your shitty attitude. And even after i went through the pain of summarizing it all to show i didn't attack you at all but you twisted my meaning for the convenience of dishonest arguments, you just let a "this is bullshit" post with no arguments. No class and no arguments.

 

[JamDav1982]

It is. This convo really exposes you and your shitty attitude. And even after i went through the pain of summarizing it all to show i didn't attack you at all but you twisted my meaning for the convenience of dishonest arguments, you just let a "this is bullshit" post with no arguments. No class and no arguments.

Cheers bud.

Still agree with the transcript of what we both said.

No need for personal abuse. Thought you were better than that.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Still agree with the transcript of what we both said.

Please stop trying to make up what I am saying.

No need for personal abuse.

It's backed up truth. You need truth.

Thought you were better than that.

Well then you were wrong yet again. I have zero respect for people who both twist people's words and have no self-reflection.

 

[JamDav1982]

It's backed up truth. You need truth.

Good stuff.

Only on this thread where Neymar is in discussion seem to get away with such abuse so you will be fine.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Good stuff.

Only on this thread where Neymar is in discussion seem to get away with such abuse so you will be fine.

Yes I will. I think about what I write and am very careful to respect the other's arguments (which means to respond to them), not sweep anything under the rug, and provide proper closure at the end. That's why I never got so much as a warning yet, arguing in this way on any thread over five years.

You on the other hand hit some bumps in the road and there's pretty much a consensus about your shitty ways to argue.

 

[Barcaman]

Calm down folks. No need for name calling.