Neymar Jr. - v5

[JamDav1982]

EV's 442 Barca, Bayern and RM.
Chelsea and Psg are okish also.

I don't rate City's balance too much, for a CL level.

Haha holy fuck talk about hedging you bets.

Who do you think has best balanced team?

 

[DonAK]

Man City have physical players in Kyle Walker, Fernandinho, De Bruyne and Sané(he's much tougher than he seems). Not to forget Otamendi. Mendy too if he's fit. They can pass the ball around and create chances, they can beat you on the counter attack with their great pace, they can even cross the ball(low crosses) and score on set pieces.

How's Chelsea a more balanced team?

 

[JamDav1982]

We talked about that a million times.

Neymar pre Barca was a default Neymar.
Default Neymar is a player who dribbles all the time and hogs the ball.
Neymar in 2014 and 2015 was a player who played against his natural instincts.
He played fast, simple and efficient.
Sadly, he couldn't play for too long againts his natural instincts and soon returned to a classical Neymar who slows down the play, is overcomplicating things and is not effective.

But I guess that you will say that he played weaker after 2015 because of Lucho, poor midfield and similar.

Remember, when playing for Brazil NT, he plays with different midfielders.
Yet, he plays again like a classical Neymar, who dribbles way too much and killing a flow of a team (Brazil in that case).
He is scoring for Brazil, so it may mask his flaws.
But the point stands: he plays like a classical, default Neymar.

That is a load of rubbish and you slaughtered him in those earlier years anyway.

Neymar was one of best players in world the past two years and is the most productive wide man other than Messi.

He has been Barcas best player in CL last year for example but you try to change narrative to blame him for not winning it.

He doesnt 'kill the flow of the team' he was creating more chances than anyone else and Messi lost the ball more often dribbling anyway.

You are way off.

 

[BBZ8800]

Man City have physical players in Kyle Walker, Fernandinho, De Bruyne and Sané(he's much tougher than he seems). Not to forget Otamendi. Mendy too if he's fit. They can pass the ball around and create chances, they can beat you on the counter attack with their great pace, they can even cross the ball(low crosses) and score on set pieces.

How's Chelsea a more balanced team?

I have zero faith in Pep's teams on a CL level (when he doesn't have Messi).
And Pep rarely disappoints me.

He is more stubborn than JamDav, me and some other guys together.

If you wanna earn money: place a bet on Pep's teams in league championships.
They will usually dominate against lots of crappy teams with his style of play. He has a perfect formula for 25-30 wins against weaker league teams.
But playing against top teams in two-legged games is a different story than winning La liga against Getafes and winning Bundesliga against their Getafes.

Pep can have as many physically stronger individuals as he wants.
His style of play and his teams are always on the verge of losing 0:4 in any tight match, if he concedes from 1-2 counters in the first half.

In a CL knockout phase, I would always put my money on an Italian Allegri and his teams.
I have zero faith in Pep's teams in knockout matches.

I could be horribly wrong.
But we'll see it soon.

 

[JamDav1982]

I have zero faith in Pep's teams on a CL level (when he doesn't have Messi).
And Pep rarely disappoints me.

He is more stubborn than JamDav, me and some other guys together.

If you wanna earn money: place a bet on Pep's teams in league championships.
They will usually dominate against lots of crappy teams with his style of play.
But playing against top teams in two-legged games is a different story than winning La liga against Getafes and winning Bundesliga against their Getafes.

Pep can have as many physically stronger individuals as he wants.
His style of play and his teams are always on the verge of losing 0:4 in any tight match, if he concedes from 1-2 counters in the first half.

In a CL knockout phase, I would always put my money on an Italian Allegri and his teams.
I have zero faith in Pep's teams in knockout matches.

I could be horribly wrong.
But we'll see it soon.

Who is the opposite of that Pep side and favs to win in your opinion?

You predicting Juve will go further than City?

I will take a bet on that.

 

[DonAK]

I have zero faith in Pep's teams on a CL level (when he doesn't have Messi).
And Pep rarely disappoints me.

He is more stubborn than JamDav, me and some other guys together.

If you wanna earn money: place a bet on Pep's teams in league championships.
They will usually dominate against lots of crappy teams with his style of play. He has a perfect formula for 25-30 wins against weaker league teams.
But playing against top teams in two-legged games is a different story than winning La liga against Getafes and winning Bundesliga against their Getafes.

Pep can have as many physically stronger individuals as he wants.
His style of play and his teams are always on the verge of losing 0:4 in any tight match, if he concedes from 1-2 counters in the first half.

In a CL knockout phase, I would always put my money on an Italian Allegri and his teams.
I have zero faith in Pep's teams in knockout matches.

I could be horribly wrong.
But we'll see it soon.

You have more faith in Conte who I believe haven't gone past the R16 as a coach? He even got knocked out in the group stages with Juventus if I remember correctly. A year later with Allegri and pretty much the same team they went to the final and lost again us

Pep's Manchester City dominated Chelsea too for the record.

Come on man. You're selling Man City low and Chelsea ridiculously high. Look at City's record against the best teams in England.

 

[Jair Ventura]

I don't know how to feel about City just yet. They look excellent in the EPL, but the more I watch, the more unimpressed I am by English football beyond City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Those three play good football, but the rest of "the big 6" have very visible and exploitable flaws(that also applies to Liverpool, to be fair) while the middle to bottom table teams are trash. For me, the quality of the average British player is a reflection of the quality of British academies. Physically talented, but extremely limited from a technical and tactical standpoint. Their quality is clearly below that of the average Spanish, German, French or Italian player. That is why you tend to see more comprehensive football and more talented footballers from mid and bottom table teams in those countries than you do from their British counterparts.

As for City and their chances in the UCL? I honestly can't say I know what to expect from them yet. They are a mechanical, well drilled team but they're lacking the creative magic that Pep's Barca and Bayern teams possessed. I still have questions about Walker, Stones, Sterling, and Delph.

 

[draconifire]

Snek

 

[henias]

You didn't explain much at all. Only that Neymar shouldn't emulate the no.10 role. Which he did mostly his last season at Barca, negating how he looked the seasons before.

What do u mean didnt explain much? What are u babbling about now? He definitely looked much different from the first two seasons he joined barca, where he was a more direct winger and goalscorer. The stats fully reflect that.

 

[messi15478]

@BBZ
Lol what are you saying ? Peps teams were always dangerous and City this season is almost as strong as Barca 2011. If he can hold this level he could win the Cl or come to the final but saying that Peps teams are trash in CL is bullshit.

I could be horribly wrong.
But we'll see it soon.[/QUOTE]

 

[springfield]

@BBZ
Lol what are you saying ? Peps teams were always dangerous and City this season is almost as strong as Barca 2011. If he can hold this level he could win the Cl or come to the final but saying that Peps teams are trash in CL is bullshit.
I could be horribly wrong.
But we'll see it soon.

He probably only remembers the 5-0 loss over 2 legs against Real Madrid with Bayern.
Don't understand why he says Chelsea is more balanced then City.

 

[Andresito]

I wonder if he regrets leaving now that all his pals are gathered at Barça.

But I'm also happy that he left, he'd think that he runs the club and would've become very complacent had he stayed.

 

[draconifire]

@BBZ
Lol what are you saying ? Peps teams were always dangerous and City this season is almost as strong as Barca 2011. If he can hold this level he could win the Cl or come to the final but saying that Peps teams are trash in CL is bullshit.

I could be horribly wrong.
But we'll see it soon.

 

[MessiTHEgoat]

strong as barca 2011 , not the first time i've seen this lol.

if you think delph is as good as peak alves, 32 yo silva as good as peak iniesta, & kdb as good as peak xavi, and freakin aguero as good as messi at his absolute best, then sure why not.

 

[Lutece FC]

@BBZ
Lol what are you saying ? Peps teams were always dangerous and City this season is almost as strong as Barca 2011. If he can hold this level he could win the Cl or come to the final but saying that Peps teams are trash in CL is bullshit.

I could be horribly wrong.
But we'll see it soon.

No man, just no.