Óscar Mingueza

[JohnN]

I would sell everyone else before him, except Frenkie, Fati and Moriba.

Why would we sell him, keep Lenglet and buy Aguero, Pjanic, Garcia etc?

I remember watching young Puyol around 2000 playing as a RB.
He was atrocius, looked like the worst player on a pitch.
Puyol turned from horrible into one of the best defenders in the world.

So, expecting some reasonable 20-30% improvement out of Mingueza shouldn't be such a Sci-Fi.

I must agree. He is one of those players you keep that have actually improved and have also displayed a freaking soul.
Too many garbage done players to dismiss before him.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

If we sell this guy, we can shut down this club as well.
You don't need 11 superstars to win. But you need guys with heart who love the shirt they wear and play with passion and pride. Obviously total lack of quality brings you nowhere but Mingueza is no bum.
This squad desperately needs players like Mingueza and some want to sell him for peanuts.

 

[malvolio]

same thing was said about roberto initially. now watch us keep him for several years and everyone turning against him for not being any good.

no good at CB, no good at RB/WRB, can do a job as RCB in 3-5-2. there you go - roberto 2.0. jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[Barcilliant]

same thing was said about roberto initially. now watch us keep him for several years and everyone turning against him for not being any good.

no good at CB, no good at RB/WRB, can do a job as RCB in 3-5-2. there you go - roberto 2.0. jack of all trades, master of none.

Roberto is a pussy. Mingueza is not.

 

[malvolio]

Roberto is a pussy. Mingueza is not.

do you know him personally? roberto always had a big heart and put in a shift, at least in his first years here.

 

[serghei]

If we sell this guy, we can shut down this club as well.
You don't need 11 superstars to win. But you need guys with heart who love the shirt they wear and play with passion and pride. Obviously total lack of quality brings you nowhere but Mingueza is no bum.
This squad desperately needs players like Mingueza and some want to sell him for peanuts.

Well said.

 

[Rory]

do you know him personally? roberto always had a big heart and put in a shift, at least in his first years here.

Not necessarily Roberto's fault but the difference is Roberto is now on 10m and very injury prone. Also he's the 4th captain. Mingueza is young, on low wages and knows his place in the team is not a sure starter, he knows he has to work hard and improve still.

If Sergi Roberto was the same one from 4-5 years ago I'd be calling for him to stay too. Different stages of their careers.

 

[JamDav1982]

If we sell this guy, we can shut down this club as well.
You don't need 11 superstars to win. But you need guys with heart who love the shirt they wear and play with passion and pride. Obviously total lack of quality brings you nowhere but Mingueza is no bum.
This squad desperately needs players like Mingueza and some want to sell him for peanuts.

Passion is irrelevant unless there is the quality to go with it.

Nice to see but ultimately wont get team anywhere if the quality drop is too big.

Players with 'passion for Barca' or 'Barca DNA' put ahead of ability does no one any favours and plenty of huge Barca fans have left club as not good enough.

Just dont see it with Mingueza the way others do even if was a plus point last season for where he came from. To me looks miles off the standard needed and would be behind Araujo, Garcia, Lenglet who themselves all have question marks.

Unless Barca go three at back next season which hope not to see cant see him getting a lot of minutes.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Not necessarily Roberto's fault but the difference is Roberto is now on 10m and very injury prone. Also he's the 4th captain. Mingueza is young, on low wages and knows his place in the team is not a sure starter, he knows he has to work hard and improve still.

If Sergi Roberto was the same one from 4-5 years ago I'd be calling for him to stay too. Different stages of their careers.

Yeah Roberto was actually pretty decent four years ago. Not what he is today. He got too comfortable and lost his skills.

 

[malvolio]

Not necessarily Roberto's fault but the difference is Roberto is now on 10m and very injury prone. Also he's the 4th captain. Mingueza is young, on low wages and knows his place in the team is not a sure starter, he knows he has to work hard and improve still.

If Sergi Roberto was the same one from 4-5 years ago I'd be calling for him to stay too. Different stages of their careers.

who said anything about comparing their current salaries or status in the squad?

people just said that they liked him for his bravery/heart/determination etc. i just pointed out that roberto started it out the same and is now one of the most hated in here. never being good at anything in particular his whole career but kept in squad for his flexibility and because he was a la masia product.

i just see mingueza going the same route. but hey, i guess every now and then we need an oleguer type in our squad.

 

[Rory]

who said anything about comparing their current salaries or status in the squad?

people just said that they liked him for his bravery/heart/determination etc. i just pointed out that roberto started it out the same and is now one of the most hated in here. never being good at anything in particular his whole career but kept in squad for his flexibility and because he was a la masia product.

i just see mingueza going the same route. but hey, i guess every now and then we need an oleguer type in our squad.

I'm saying it's alright having a type of player in the squad just for heart/determination as long as they 1) don't fall off a cliff performance-wise and 2) aren't grossly overpaid. What I'd like to see with Mingueza is him only ever being paid for how good his level is not due to scoring a goal one time like Roberto did.

If Mingueza was injured lots and on silly high money people wouldn't like him if all he had was heart/determination.

 

[malvolio]

I'm saying it's alright having a type of player in the squad just for heart/determination as long as they 1) don't fall off a cliff performance-wise and 2) aren't grossly overpaid. What I'd like to see with Mingueza is him only ever being paid for how good his level is not due to scoring a goal one time like Roberto did.

If Mingueza was injured lots and on silly high money people wouldn't like him if all he had was heart/determination.

well yeah, so we are in agreement. he's shite, we'll keep him for sentimental value and we end up asking ourselves in 7 years time how did we keep him for so long

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm saying it's alright having a type of player in the squad just for heart/determination as long as they 1) don't fall off a cliff performance-wise and 2) aren't grossly overpaid. What I'd like to see with Mingueza is him only ever being paid for how good his level is not due to scoring a goal one time like Roberto did.

If Mingueza was injured lots and on silly high money people wouldn't like him if all he had was heart/determination.

Then there are folk that are saying Barca should pack up and go home if ever sold him, wouldnt take 40m for him and he should be on short list of players not to be sold.

Massively overhyped when claims like that being made.

Can see him being the next martyr like Puig if doesnt play much next season. His stock will rise with every game he doesnt play.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

"Won't get team anywhere."

Mingueza has enough quality to play in this team, he has proven it. Right now it would be stupid to sell a player for peanuts who has enough quality to perform with the current crop of players, integrated into the squad in no time, has the right attitude and is coming out of La Masia.
Has nothing to do with the usual "Barca DNA" thing when a player gets praise for his playing style but lacks quality in other areas. Mingueza is certainly not a typical Barca player as we have seen them coming out of La Masia nearly every year.
It is uncertain if Koeman stays, how future coaches will rate him and how Mingueza will develop but only then it would make sense to talk about a transfer. Right now it won't get the team anywhere to sell proven squad players while we have so many other problems and glaring holes in the squad.

Imo some here just underrate his quality.

 

[Andresito]

Can see him being the next martyr like Puig if doesnt play much next season. His stock will rise with every game he doesnt play.

Not the same though. Everyone knows what to expect from Mingueza, and not many assume he'll become a sure starter for Barca even if he keeps maturing.

Puig is seen as a saviour. He's shown glimpses of technical abilites that no other midfielder possesses at Barca. People want him on the pitch because of hope and his assumed potential.

It's easy to see the different type of fanbases between Puig and Mingueza, and they're not the same.