Ousmane Dembélé

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Potroh

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I saw through his mediocrity right since day one.. I am glad more people see it now.

Well haters love to hate but it means little here...

Mediocrity is not a good word to use in Dembele's context.
You may point out his mistakes and weaknesses but he is anything but mediocre.
He is a great talent, with obvious flaws and forgettable performances, but simultaneously he could become something extraordinary, something which many others would never become.
He is a typical one who has great potentials - if he develops further - which is highly improbable under Valverde, specially that he won't play, perhaps just marginally.
 

Messigician

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Well haters love to hate but it means little here...

Mediocrity is not a good word to use in Dembele's context.
You may point out his mistakes and weaknesses but he is anything but mediocre.
He is a great talent, with obvious flaws and forgettable performances, but simultaneously he could become something extraordinary, something which many others would never become.
He is a typical one who has great potentials - if he develops further - which is highly improbable under Valverde, specially that he won't play, perhaps just marginally.


At the moment he's mediocre yeah.

I'd bet Adama would do as well as him if he got Dembele's game time
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
It seems you simply cannot stop your saga of hatred and showing off your absolute blindness when it comes to judging players by their ACTUAL footballing skills. All right...
You see, I'm retired, have a lot of time, no games to watch, it's off-season, so I promise I will answer EACH and EVERY brainless fart by you!
I hope you will enjoy that, at least as much as your repetitive eructations make me laugh and angry at the same time...



Not my actual task to defend other users, but it seems the reading problems do not avoid you either. It's not the fact that you are wrong at least 85% of times, with highly questionable opinions and twisted-statistics, but you simply won't read between the lines, which usually make you think that apart from a very few guys here, there's anyone who will be persuaded by your biased and emotionally driven essays.



Mistake No.1 on your side.
You should rather observe the actual qualities of different players. "Body language" tells nothing, worth nothing.
Look at the "body language" of C.Ronaldo and you will see that absolutely apart from his actual footballing skills, his off ball movements just represent self-assurance, egoism, arrogance, cockiness, complacency, conceitedness, etc.
He is a very good player, but his "body language" is rather marketing than footballing skills.



Because your twisted and imaginary definitions of "personality" and "IQ" do NOT exist on a football field.



Once again not my task to judge, but YOUR opinion is definitely low-class. I wish I was wrong, in that case it would be possible to discuss certain intricacies of the game, but it is, alas, impossible with you.



1. Neymar is the technically highest and most skillful player on the planet at present. If you can't see that - your problem but no need to argue that.
2. A clown is an artist in a circus. If Neymar is an actual clown in your eyes, you should consider yourself being the clown of this forum.
3. If you still have the fake idea that a footballer can only be judged by his ACTUAL PERFORMANCES in a series, in a tournament, then you once again have no clue about this game.

So learn it: the best players are NOT ALWAYS the most EFFECTIVE players in a single game, in a league or tournament. Sometimes (like Messi with his home NT) the best players are NOT the most effective, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't be the best.
QUALITY and EFFECTIVENESS are TWO DIFFERENT FACTORS. You should learn that and remember that.



Wrong example, although everyone thinks the same.
He was EFFECTIVE in that game, very determined but he had much much better games than that one.



During his worst games he has one or two moments that make the entire game worth to watch. That's why MILLIONS started watching PSG games worldwide after Neymar has left.
People who understand and are able to enjoy the game, love and appreciate those moments, even if they are not fans of neither of the clubs playing.
That is a connoisseur and not the one - like you - who enjoys mediocre players, mediocre managers, boringly defensive tactics, just because the result might be favorable.
Football in its nicest form is an ART and hence you should start learning how to separate the easily forgettable and grey workers from the true ARTISTS.



And Barca won two Ligas after Neymar has left, just because the other competitive teams were even worse.
Even your beloved statistics will tell you the Barca-decline under Valverde. These two Liga wins were almost worthless because of the lack of competition.



Brazil has won the worst Copa in its history, where football was almost unwatchable and anything but enjoyable.
It doesn't matter if Neymar was there or not.

If Neymar is "almost a non factor" for you - and you really believe what you are confidently saying - then I just have to repeat that you have no knowledge whatsoever about this game, regardless how many words you are able to type in a minute.
He is a factor, believe me, just as Dembele could have been, had the poor guy chosen a different club with an actually helpful and knowledgeable coach.
No. Wrong again.
CR7 is 34 yrs old now, still capable of doing nice things, but his "gestures" will not change. Self-confidence comes from his personality and pride, so when he will be getting weaker and weaker on the decline, his outwardly gestures will not be different.
We have seen quite comical elderly players like that over the decades, players who were well above 30 but felt to be 20 inside. It works like that with those ladies nearing 50-60 and they put on more and more make-up to disguise the wrinkles.

If you were a coach, you should know that over-confidence is a great danger on the pitch.
A coach should only care for one single factor in this regard: namely wether the player is capable of doing on the pitch what he actually knows and does in training.
A "shy" player is a good sign for actual performance, with one important exception: if a player is scared of being injured (like Neymar did it in Russia) because in that case he will not be able to take the NEEDED RISK factors.

The good example for that is my beloved Suarez, who started shouting and gesticulating more and more, proportional to his own decline.
That means he wants the crowd and fellow players to know that he is "not guilty", the problems are external to him.
An introvert, "shy" player - like Messi is - gesticulates and talks little to none, which is better from the coaches point of view, as well as from the team's.

When you have constantly been talking about "IQ", you mix up "PLAYING INTELLIGENCE" and situational awareness with actual human personality qualities and that is a huge problem.
Your other examples are irrelevant in this case.

A good coach knows if an individual player tends to be extroverted or introverted in private, but all he cares about if he is capable of performing ACCORDING to his OWN standards.



Barca is NOT a "miracle-team", where even the best look like mediocre, compared to the level of the entire team. It's a myth.
Some players are excellent in a given team, some are not. It's not a question of "IQ".

Talent + IQ does NOT exist as a working and general formula.
TALENT exists before all and there are 3640 other factors to contribute to that, not a single one - as you try to suggest.


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Afromaticz

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Dembele had the most ball losses of all players in the Bundesliga in his last season for Dortmund.

Players that take on defenders and go for a dribble tend to lose the ball more frequently it happens.
If u look at his numbers from last season and compare it to our other forwards his numbers actually look alright.
Dembele has been dispossessed 1.5 times on average compared to Messi's 2.3 and Suarez 1.6
 

Maxim4

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Dembele had the most ball losses of all players in the Bundesliga in his last season for Dortmund.

He made them win the pokal. Even after his departure and all the recruitments made by Dormund, they fail to qualify for the group stage of C1 because the talent was no longer there.
with Dembélé, they reached the quarter-finals and won a cup.
In addition, you lie by claiming that he recorded the highest number of balls lost in his last season, while Dembélé played only one game during that period.
So for you, in this match, he lost more balls in 90 minutes in 38 Bundesliga matches for 3420 minutes of all the matches of the full season, which is impossible.
 

jairzinho

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Alot of these wingers/attackers progress like a fork in the road. They either go one way or the other. Chelsea let players like Salah and De Bruyne go without much of a fuss. Chelsea either didn't have the time to let Mo develop or didn't think he would blossom the way he did. Alot of poeple thought Sterling would also be a bust and then he exploded a couple years after. None of these guys exploded at 21/22.
 

wisconsincule

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Seems pretty happy to have a French cohort.

If he stays healthy I think we’re going to see some special moments from him this season. CANT WAIT.
 

Maxim4

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He will be on the bench next season

I do not think so .
because I do not see a player currently in Barcelona take my place.
I am the fastest
The Strongest .
the most technical to this post.
I scored 14 goals on the right foot and 14 goals on the left.
I am from left to right.
 

Acnologia

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I do not think so .
because I do not see a player currently in Barcelona take my place.
I am the fastest
The Strongest .
the most technical to this post.
I scored 14 goals on the right foot and 14 goals on the left.
I am from left to right.

Griezmann, Suarez and Coutinho
 
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