Birdy
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More like as narrow as your brain...
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More like as narrow as your brain...
That's close. No big gulf in quality either way. Both are great players with some flaws. Vinicius is younger though.
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It's not close. Dembele's one dimensional. Sprint and cross for him with the occasional through ball. Vinicius utilizes space, knows when to run behind the defense, knows how to beat the offside trap, knows how to get into dangerous positions on a consistent basis, and knows how to finish. Not to mention a much more fluid and consistent control of the ball. The kid is scoring hattricks and is 4 years younger than Dembele. 20 goals with 16 assists. Dembele's going to finish with 2 goals.
The gulf in quality is enormous.
They do play different roles though, as Dembele is right-foot, plays on the right, Vinicius plays on the left, but also right foot.
So, Vinicius will get into more shooting positions he is comfortable with, while Dembele gets to cross and play cutbacks with his strong foot.
That said, Dembele should be scoring more, thats just a poor goal return from him.
So, Vinicius will get into more shooting positions he is comfortable with, while Dembele gets to cross and play cutbacks with his strong foot.
That said, Dembele should be scoring more, thats just a poor goal return from him.
Dembele played on the left under Koeman last season and couldn't score there either. Dembele played as a striker under Koeman as well received a multitude of chances and couldn't score there either. Dembele doesn't get into shooting positions because he doesn't know how to.
Also, he's left footed.
What? When i search it up i see him come up as right-footed.
Well, you should know better than me so nevermind then.
He's ambidextrous (well equally shit with both feet), but when it comes to controlling the ball, dribbling, and passing he mostly uses his left foot. That's why he's much better on the right than he is on the left.
It just seems like he's right footed when he's shooting because his finishing is shit. Much more charitable to assume he's being forced to use his weak foot on the right. If only that was the case.
iniestaGOAT
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Vinicious has turned into a killer and he is going to kill TAA in the finals like their last finals
Dembele on the other hand... who knows what this donkey does half the time
Dembele on the other hand... who knows what this donkey does half the time
In fact now that you've mentioned it, the few times i've watched Dembele when switched to the left, he went from a threat(at least in terms of creating), to almost a non-entity, would that be a correct assessment?
Iniesta Ultra
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Pep played Silva as right forward recently. Someone with his skill can play multiple positions although I think he's still best as AM. But I do know a front three of Fati, Auba, Silva would create some real magic.
feggydinho
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Vinicius is easily better than Dembele, a top 5 winger in the world right now but the transformation between his performance last season and this season is wild
Vinicius has improved dramatically this season but I still prefer Dembele
Crazy that Dembele has been offered ?200,000 a week and still wants more
Bobo32
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There are only benefits with quoting and maybe write "post above" or something. Then the quoted gets notified, and it is easier for others to read too.
It was critique without explanation. I brought numbers and an answer like this would be fine. My post wasn't meant as passive-aggressive but as tongue in cheek btw.
Vinicius makes more assists this season than Dembele over his Barcelona career, without crossing or losing the ball as much.
Losing the ball is losing the ball, creating a goal is creating a goal. It is all about what he has to show for it, about variance and expected value.
I don't think a player can just cross the ball and be judged for his assists but not for the counters the opponents get. He is responsible for his crosses. Anyway, anyone who watched the games know that Dembele lose the ball in every imaginable and unimaginable way; crossing, passing, stomping on the ball, dribbling out of bounds, tripping on the grass etc. etc.
Sample size almost seems like a buzzword to you here. What we know is what has happened, Traore has made 4 assists playing 1/3 the time Dembele played. The sample size for Dembeles 13 assists isn't that great either, almost all of them came in a time period when the team played very good and won all the time, take that month away and Dembele is on a lower assist count this season than in his previous seasons. I am willing to bet that Dembele will regress to under 10 assists again next season.
It tells you that he has a negative influence on the team in games where he doesn't have a goal or a great chance created to show for his extremely sloppy and risky play.
feggydinho
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The rate at which Vini improved from last season to this season brings some level of hope for Dembele, maybe he can actually work on his finishing and he'll be among the top wingers if he can ever do that.
Bobo32
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Him and Torres could switch around, or Bernardo could play false 9 even.
Some other rude posters talking about how "wingers" are so so, needed, and that natural CMs can't play the position. What is important is that you have both people who run and people who can play into space, while still having every player able to control the ball and win it back. It is not that important to have a pacy dribbler who succeeds with half the stuff he attempts and ends pretty much every attack.
When Barcelona were at its best they had "wingers" like Pedro, Villa and Sanchez, and then a couple of fast youngsters who could play now and then. These wingers might be decently fast, and Sanchez could dribble, but they aimed for a success rate of at least 80% in anything they did. They were patient and good.
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