Pep Guardiola

Meitux

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Chelsea were playing good only in some period in the first half, other than that they did shit only playing full defence (still they failed) and fouling others. They were unable to keep Bayern attacking even when they did bring Terry on playing with 5 defenders. I don't want to use IF for if Bayern scored those chances cause it's a word that doesn't exist in football but there isn't any excuse that Chelsea were better, they got totaly dominated and unable to keep and bring the ball our of their half in the extra time.. It should end with an embarrasing score for Chelsea.
 
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Hamzah

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His 4-1-4-1 formation is really interesting. Thing is I haven't watched bayerns matches. How is the three central midfielders made up? Is the dm a pure dm or a deep lying playmaker? Are the two in front box to box or does one stay back more while the other runs forward and turns into a number ten?

Do the wingers Come inside or stay wide? Does the team use High pressure or stay back?
 

Elite-BkD

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PHP:
His 4-1-4-1 formation is really interesting. Thing is I haven't watched bayerns matches. How is the three central midfielders made up? Is the dm a pure dm or a deep lying playmaker? Are the two in front box to box or does one stay back more while the other runs forward and turns into a number ten?

Do the wingers Come inside or stay wide? Does the team use High pressure or stay back?

It's difficult to answer all this and explain what Pep is thinking, largely because of the following reasons:

A) The midfield trio has been changed (in terms of personnel) quite a bit
B) Not all of the players are healthy, namely Javi Martinez who is really their only 'pure dm' at the moment.
C) They've been presented with a variety of challenges in terms of lineup/system of opposing team
D) The whole project is still developing, and doubtless there remains a good deal that is up in the air for the time being and will be sorted in the coming weeks/months

It's also worth noting that they tend to line up in a 3-4-3 or 3-3-4 in possession and switch to a 4-1-4-1 when the other side have the ball.

Generally the DM has been a deep lying playmaker (Originally this was Thiago when Schweinsteiger wasn't playing, then Schweinsteiger took over this role after the Dortmund match while he returned to fitness and Thiago had a try higher up before his injury, and Kroos/Lahm have both had a go at it as well for short spells against Chelsea when Schweinsteiger was out) though Pep was happy to put Martinez in that position the moment he was ready to play. So far the DM has tended to come deep and split the CB pair quite wide with the fullbacks pushing up when the back unit is under pressure (which is common, teams are happy to test them in that regard) very much like Busquets does at Barcelona.
The other two midfield positions have been filled by a good handful of combinations, but often Kroos is one of them and plays box to box while one of Muller or Gotze play higher up and regularly move around combining or exchanging positions with the other advanced players.
The wingers play also definitely depends on the circumstances, sometimes he asks them to stretch the opposition very very wide and sometimes they take up more central positions. Ribery is a little more inclined toward the latter than Robben and Shaqiri.
As far as pressure goes, they're happy to press high up the pitch at times, but mostly it's just enough so that nobody just sits in their half with the ball all day and they seem to look to get a good number of bodies back and they're comfortable dealing with attacks from within their own third and with a solid defensive unit, certainly moreso than Barcelona. That seems to be another area which is still being sussed out though.
It is an incredibly deep/talented/flexible squad, I think they'll be able to boss possession against just about any team other than an in-form Barcelona, and they're quite competent at playing combinations through the center (and with plenty of room for improvement) and of course quite brilliant in terms of wing play and providing danger with crosses. It'll be very interesting to follow their progress this year.
 

DennyCrane

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Pep on the Oktoberfest:

"Beer and party, lederhosen and women in their frocks - it's going to be great. I'm looking forward to experiencing these three weeks. You can trust me."
mirror

Ok, now we really lost him. Not too long now, he'll probably frequent beer tents halfway drunk, join the CSU and demand a road charge for foreigners.
 

suckabov

Lemon curry?
Pep on the Oktoberfest:

mirror

Ok, now we really lost him. Not too long now, he'll probably frequent beer tents halfway drunk, join the CSU and demand a road charge for foreigners.

Who is Pep? It's Sepp. Rumour has it his coaching license was wrongly issued by the University of Bayreuth despite containing plagiarism. And of course he'll announce shortly that Bavaria is the "gateway to paradise". At least in terms of sausage factories and childcare subsidies.
 
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DennyCrane

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Who is Pep? It's Sepp. Rumour has it his coaching license was wrongly issued by the University of Bayreuth despite containing plagiarism. And of course he'll announce shortly that Bavaria is the "gateway to paradise". At least in terms of sausage factories and childcare subsidies.

Then Sepp decides to run for minister-president of bavaria, backed by Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg, and wins the election by a margin Kim Jong Un would be proud of. Two days later, he declares independe from Prussia. Franz Josef Strauss rises out of the grave and gives him a high-five. Edmund Stoiber still can't find the words to express himself.
 

BerkeleyBernie

Senior Member
It's difficult to answer all this and explain what Pep is thinking, largely because of the following reasons:

A) The midfield trio has been changed (in terms of personnel) quite a bit
B) Not all of the players are healthy, namely Javi Martinez who is really their only 'pure dm' at the moment.
C) They've been presented with a variety of challenges in terms of lineup/system of opposing team
D) The whole project is still developing, and doubtless there remains a good deal that is up in the air for the time being and will be sorted in the coming weeks/months

It's also worth noting that they tend to line up in a 3-4-3 or 3-3-4 in possession and switch to a 4-1-4-1 when the other side have the ball.

Generally the DM has been a deep lying playmaker (Originally this was Thiago when Schweinsteiger wasn't playing, then Schweinsteiger took over this role after the Dortmund match while he returned to fitness and Thiago had a try higher up before his injury, and Kroos/Lahm have both had a go at it as well for short spells against Chelsea when Schweinsteiger was out) though Pep was happy to put Martinez in that position the moment he was ready to play. So far the DM has tended to come deep and split the CB pair quite wide with the fullbacks pushing up when the back unit is under pressure (which is common, teams are happy to test them in that regard) very much like Busquets does at Barcelona.
The other two midfield positions have been filled by a good handful of combinations, but often Kroos is one of them and plays box to box while one of Muller or Gotze play higher up and regularly move around combining or exchanging positions with the other advanced players.
The wingers play also definitely depends on the circumstances, sometimes he asks them to stretch the opposition very very wide and sometimes they take up more central positions. Ribery is a little more inclined toward the latter than Robben and Shaqiri.
As far as pressure goes, they're happy to press high up the pitch at times, but mostly it's just enough so that nobody just sits in their half with the ball all day and they seem to look to get a good number of bodies back and they're comfortable dealing with attacks from within their own third and with a solid defensive unit, certainly moreso than Barcelona. That seems to be another area which is still being sussed out though.
It is an incredibly deep/talented/flexible squad, I think they'll be able to boss possession against just about any team other than an in-form Barcelona, and they're quite competent at playing combinations through the center (and with plenty of room for improvement) and of course quite brilliant in terms of wing play and providing danger with crosses. It'll be very interesting to follow their progress this year.

I was watching them against Wolfsburg, and, while Bayern was generally moving the ball from the back well, they didn't combine well in the final third. Wolfsburg kept some pressure on them the entire game. Though Wolfsburg created few chances, neither did Bayern (4 shots on target). They were somewhat lucky to escape with a win.

Bayern's strong suit is still wing play, set pieces, and direct balls. They are still nowhere near Barça's level at moving the ball on the the ground in tight spaces.
 

Darko

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One thing is certain,Pep has balls,he takes the best team in the world and instead of continuing with their winning strategy,he changes the system completely...
Surely Bayern are favourites for the CL.
 

Barcaman

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He didn't change the system completely. It's more like he tweaked the one from Heynckes. Only change he really did was Lahm playing as DM but this is only temporarily as both Martinez and Thiago are out. He didn't even use the false 9 apart in few matches this season. Yeah, Bayern is playing a bit more cautious and holding the possession for a bit longer, but that's about it.

Also, let's wait for the end of the season and see if he repeats the success of Heynckes.
 

Meitux

Active member
There's nothing sure for who will be the lone player and the two attacking midfielders, i mean the ones who start most of the games. Thiago will be used for rotation while Martinez is ideal for the lone role of defensive midfielder and was great against Chelsea. Gotze just returned from his injury and when he settles and fits i think he's the one of the two attacking midfielders having a regular place, but that leaves only one place for Schweinsteiger who is the most likely and actually has more chances of starting in that lone role rather than playing attacking midfielder because there is also Kroos and Muller. It depends also on who will be the main striker, Yesterday Muller started as center forward but drifted to the wing sometimes and Robben got the the centre, they played with no striker in times. So it's pretty confused for who will be pairing the two attacking midfield spots. There will be more clear opinions when all of them are fit but apparently i can't see Gotze rot on the bench, you don't simply buy him and not give him a regular role. Everything depends on who will be used where.
 
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Grimwig

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with the system pep has adjusted the team to, thiago will be outstanding if he returns from injury in a good mood.
 

Grimwig

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anyone get nostalgia?

Bayern under Pep have a better possession and tiki tika team then we do nowadays, and it's not down to skill, as xavi and iniesta are still the best 1-touch players in the world indisputably. we've changed a lot as a team. and watching pep transform another team just makes it apparent.
 

Maria

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He didn't change the system completely. It's more like he tweaked the one from Heynckes. Only change he really did was Lahm playing as DM but this is only temporarily as both Martinez and Thiago are out. He didn't even use the false 9 apart in few matches this season. Yeah, Bayern is playing a bit more cautious and holding the possession for a bit longer, but that's about it.
That's not true..he changed a lot from one game to another and sometimes even during games(and until the game against Schalke a lot of Bayern fans were criticizing him and comparing him with Van Gaal), but Elite-BKD explained it better than I could.
Also, let's wait for the end of the season and see if he repeats the success of Heynckes.
I don't think that's possible..what Bayern lived last season, what we lived in 2008-2009 happens once in the lifetime of a club and no coach should be asked to repeat something like that.

anyone get nostalgia?
It actually reminded me of our game at Emirates from 2010 and when I saw Boateng getting a red card I was expecting 2 late goals from City.
And apart from being nostalgic, I'm also annoyed that Pep had to choose Bayern when he could have chosen any other team from Europe(except Real Madrid). Before I was watching them play and I only wanted them to lose, but now I find myself wanting them to win and lose at the same time. :lol:
Bayern under Pep have a better possession and tiki tika team then we do nowadays, and it's not down to skill, as xavi and iniesta are still the best 1-touch players in the world indisputably. we've changed a lot as a team. and watching pep transform another team just makes it apparent.
1.Pep hates the term 'tiki-taka'. 2. I don't think that we should wait from Tata(or Tito in the past) to make the team play as better as they played with Pep. And not only because some players are older(though Messi, Busi, Cesc and Pique should be at their peak) or they don't have the same hunger as 5 years ago, but also because Zubi and Rosell are not helping their coach as much as Txiki and Laporta did and are refusing to see the flaws of this squad.
 
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