Pep Guardiola

serghei

Senior Member
Eto'o complained about Pep as well. And Eto'o is a Barca legend, not somebody like Dante. He has problems in relating to some big personality players imo. He needs to be a dictator and the other around him have to bow down to him. If you talk back, you're excluded.

I think he excludes big characters rather than deal with them and try to make them work for the team. Some characters need special treatment and a bit more patience. He doesn't seem to understand that or he doesn't care about players' needs at all. Good for him that his credibility is huge, so he basically can do what he wants without caring much. But Pep isn't all honey and sugar in terms of personality. He can the bad guy, similar to Mourinho, but without the antics. In a more silent, but still deadly, way. Similar attitude, except Pep is more well maniered and more composed in public.

The only difference between the way Pep treated Hart and Mourinho treated Schweinsteiger is the fact that Pep is a lot less honest about it in front of the fans and the press. He cut off Hart because he thinks he's not good enough for his needs at City. I see a lot of hypocrisy here, just because Pep says nice things, doesn't mean he's a peach of a person in dealing with players. People need to know the difference between PR and the actual reality, because Guardiola is an expert in PR, but employs the same tactics as Mourinho, who's pretty much seen as the devil here.

If Pep was a Real Madrid legend, he would've been torn to pieces for his behaviour around here. Just because a player and a manager is a Barca legend doesn't mean he's the perfect person. Pep is a flawed man like everyone else. Plenty of faults in his attitude, they're just not talked about here often because people hide and expose the bad and good parts of other people depending on their own agenda.
 
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Eetu

Adormit
Big characters.. :D

Samu had been trouble and Pep was upfront about wanting him out before he even took over, Ibra had become surplus and was being a cunt, Hart had his chance and took a shit on the team's new system. Some people are just not worth the trouble they bring, so why waste your energy indulging them? Not airing out your employees is just basic courtesy.
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
Like I said before, too many newbies who know little about the actual recent history to know who warranted rebuke or an exit from the club. Samu is a club legend but like many great strikers, his ego also got him into trouble plenty of times. His refusal to come on the year before Pep's arrival with the 1st team under Rijkaard marked the beginning of the end for many at the club, not just him. That match summed up the divide in the dressing room that Frank had no control over - Ten Cate's absence not withstanding. The fact that we still got his best for one more season was simply a measure of his greatness as a player

But somehow lumping this into some criticism of Pep is normally something typical of rivals fans, but those claiming to be our own? Myopic
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Like I said before, too many newbies who know little about the actual recent history to know who warranted rebuke or an exit from the club. Samu is a club legend but like many great strikers, his ego also got him into trouble plenty of times. His refusal to come on the year before Pep's arrival with the 1st team under Rijkaard marked the beginning of the end for many at the club, not just him. That match summed up the divide in the dressing room that Frank had no control over - Ten Cate's absence not withstanding. The fact that we still got his best for one more season was simply a measure of his greatness as a player

But somehow lumping this into some criticism of Pep is normally something typical of rivals fans, but those claiming to be our own? Myopic

Same old same old.

Anyone that disgarees with you has not supported the club as long.

Truth is you have no idea how long people have followed Barca so those are just arrogant baseless claims from yourself as usual.

Just trolling really.
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
Eto'o indeed was a big ego... No denying the fact. But the way he took the criticism (from Pep, you know he announced he wanted the guy out even before he started his tenure) positively, and lived onto be the integral part of the historic treble, he had been a thorough professional. But what did Pep do? Threw him out the backdoor! It is not exactly living to the logo of Més que un club to still badmouth Eto'o who has been a thorough professional despite the stupid treatment we meted out to him!

It is logical to support Pep because he has indeed been a legend of the club. But to support him him no matter what he does and ridiculing others and calling them newbies!? I guess we can't really expect better from the blindfold followers of the "big-man" that Pep ends up being when he had to deal with players with characters that are not to his liking!
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
If Messi had Samu's ego & chip on shoulder, he wouldn't be here any longer either

You should learn more about Pep and Barca before claiming Pep put out an all La Masia eleven.

Maybe less talking down to others on here when you speak as much rubbish yourself?
 

Eetu

Adormit
Eto'o indeed was a big ego... No denying the fact. But the way he took the criticism (from Pep, you know he announced he wanted the guy out even before he started his tenure) positively, and lived onto be the integral part of the historic treble, he had been a thorough professional. But what did Pep do? Threw him out the backdoor! It is not exactly living to the logo of Més que un club to still badmouth Eto'o who has been a thorough professional despite the stupid treatment we meted out to him!

It is logical to support Pep because he has indeed been a legend of the club. But to support him him no matter what he does and ridiculing others and calling them newbies!? I guess we can't really expect better from the blindfold followers of the "big-man" that Pep ends up being when he had to deal with players with characters that are not to his liking!

So to bad mouth a club legend is bad. Unless it's Pep, then it's more akin to a duty? I think the club will survive some people going silly in building up an idol half a decade ago. There are bigger evils in this world to fight than someone not taking the worst interpretation of things Pep done did. Still feeling insecure about Pep seems a bit insulting towards what the team has done since.

And més que un club? Was Samu running some underground independist organisation I don't know of?
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
You should learn more about Pep and Barca before claiming Pep put out an all La Masia eleven.

Maybe less talking down to others on here when you speak as much rubbish yourself?

Cite it before you claim it, that's how facts usually work. And the La Masia XI that Tito eventually put out is the advantage of having had Pep re-emphasizing the cantera, even when he fielded 8 out of the 11 before that.

But sure, continue the revisionism
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Cite it before you claim it, that's how facts usually work. And the La Masia XI that Tito eventually put out is the advantage of having had Pep re-emphasizing the cantera, even when he fielded 8 out of the 11 before that.

But sure, continue the revisionism

Yeah so Pep never fielded an all eleven La Masia graduate team as you claimed. So get your facts correct before doubting others.

Regardless you dismissed a lot those players as La Masia graduates anyway. More of your contradictions to take any angle to moan.

A bit like saying La Masia is dead then complaining about Lucho ignoring gems.

A bit like saying previously Munir should be sent on loan and now loaning players is against the la masia ethos.

Did Laporta sign LSW as you claimed?

How many debuts have been handed out vs Peps 22 in four years?
 
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FCBarca

Mike the Knife
Yeah so Pep never fielded an all eleven La Masia graduate team as you claimed. So get your facts correct before doubting others.

Regardless you dismissed a lot those players as La Masia graduates anyway. More of your contradictions to take any angle to moan.

A bit like saying La Masia is dead then complaining about Lucho ignoring gems.

A bit like saying previously Munir should be sent on loan and now loaning players is against the la masia ethos.

Did Laporta sign LSW as you claimed?

How many debuts have been handed out vs Peps 22 in four years?

You're like a child with severe comprehension issues. Cite it, or it didn't happen
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
You want to make a claim of contradiction, in any scenario, back it up with something factual rather than innuendo. I realize you suffer from a lack of comprehension and need to re-read things over & over before remotely getting the point but, cite it or it didn't happen
 

serghei

Senior Member
Pep disposed of Eto'o because he couldn't control him to the degree that he wants to control his players. The purpose of a manager is to make the team work and the players play for the team, in order to win. Everything that was demanded from Eto'o, from a sporting perspective, he delivered. Helped the team and gave it all for the team, winning clasicos, scoring decisive goals when the team needed it.

It was not a wise managerial decision to let go of one of your best performers, and probably the best no9 in the world at the time. It was a personal decision. Pep didn't like Eto'o, like your boss at work doesn't like you even if you do what it's required from you. I hate men that impose their will on others not by reason, but by force because their status is higher. Pep does that a lot. He makes calls because he wants to, and because he can, not necessarily because they're the right thing to do. Just like a dictator, he uses his full force everytime there's a problem. He's not looking to fix the problem, but to get rid of the problem. It's easier that way, and less time consuming.

What he doesn't like and what he can't control, he expels. Except he made a huge mistake, by bringing in probably the only player who was twice as hard to control than Eto'o. He didn't like Eto'o, he cut him off in a year. He didn't like Ibra, same treatment, cut him off in a year. Didn't like Hart, cut him off. Didn't like the german doctor, cut him off. Maybe, just maybe, there's not something wrong with everyone in each of these cases. Maybe Pep is just a person which pushes the power button everytime he doesn't like a thing about someone. Like a great boss, and a great manager but an asshole if you're not on his side.

For example, what Pep did to Hart is similar to a new coach coming at Barcelona and firing whoever he doesn't like. Let's say a manager wants to play a defensive midfield behind MSN and says he doesn't need Iniesta because he's not physically strong enough. So he transfers Kante let's say, and sells Iniesta (and at 27, not 32) or even worse, loans him, like some sort of inconvenience, somebody that's in his way. Imagine such a disgrace for a club legend. You just don't do that. You don't just walk in a room and in a couple of months tell whatever players you don't fancy to pack their baggs, while saying to the press how great they are. That's not being polite, that's being perverse. At least have the decency to say what the problem is.

That's not hating on Guardiola, that's insisting on his faults to see that they exist if you look closer.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
You want to make a claim of contradiction, in any scenario, back it up with something factual rather than innuendo. I realize you suffer from a lack of comprehension and need to re-read things over & over before remotely getting the point but, cite it or it didn't happen

Just cited the Pep all La Masia eleven claim and you wanting Munir on loan as doesnt have skill set to back up MSN.
 

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