Philippe Coutinho

[Daisymorr]

He has a lot of class in him but needed a manager who believes in him. Think he can be a top player for us this year but my reservation about him is can he affect the big games against Madrid and Atletico??

I think he will help us defeat many of the middle and low ranked teams but it remains to be seen can he stand up in the big games the way David Villa, Iniesta and Neymar etc could.

Still, he will be a very useful player for us this year under Koeman.

 

[serghei]

He has a lot of class in him but needed a manager who believes in him. Think he can be a top player for us this year but my reservation about him is can he affect the big games against Madrid and Atletico??

I think he will help us defeat many of the middle and low ranked teams but it remains to be seen can he stand up in the big games the way David Villa, Iniesta and Neymar etc could.

Still, he will be a very useful player for us this year under Koeman.

When on form, he has done a lot of damage in big games, both for Liverpool, and for Brazil, and even for us in his first season. His main problem was his mentality. Gave up way too soon and wasn't able to overcome his slump during Valverde. Now we have a better manager and he seems more mature, which are improvements.

 

[Judoman]

3. Messi? What if Messipendencia and our way of slow build up and needing to pass every ball to Messi also killed Cou's freedom and creativity?

Of course it did, but Messi was also a "victim" in messi-dependencia. I'm sure his CL score would be much better if he was a cherry on top guy instead of the only guy. Same in NT.
It took 10 year+ for a coach to understand this. The exception was Lucho who had MSN but had other problems.

 

[Daisymorr]

When on form, he has done a lot of damage in big games, both for Liverpool, and for Brazil, and even for us in his first season. His main problem was his mentality. Gave up way too soon and wasn't able to overcome his slump during Valverde. Now we have a better manager and he seems more mature, which are improvements.

He is an incredibly talented player, but yes you are right to question his mentality at times, can go into his shell. To be fair to him, it must be very difficult to express yourself when you are obligated to give Messi the ball at all times, which was the case in the past. Sometimes you have to have a selfish mentality to take the ball and do it yourself, especially someone as talented as Coutinho. The problem with that is, you may end up being subbed because you haven't followed the team instruction, to give the ball to Messi.

I think Koeman may encourage him more to be himself and take more responsibility, hence take shots when he feels he has a clear sight at goal. Things are going well now but when we hit a rough patch I hope Coutinho stands up and takes some of the responsibility

 

[danielamorim85]

What if it was not a mentality issue, but just incompatibility. I mean, under the last coach, the attacking system looked so static, what him was supposed to do beyond side passes and random long shots?
I friend heard from a bar?a player that the training was just "Piggy in the middle" (not sure if I use the correct expression). How to thrive on a system based on "pass to Messi and pray for a goal"?

But yes, the mentality is also a possibility...

 

[khaled_a_d]

What if it was not a mentality issue, but just incompatibility. I mean, under the last coach, the attacking system looked so static, what him was supposed to do beyond side passes and random long shots?
I friend heard from a bar?a player that the training was just "Piggy in the middle" (not sure if I use the correct expression). How to thrive on a system based on "pass to Messi and pray for a goal"?

But yes, the mentality is also a possibility...

Coutinho looked good in his first half season here under EV, but he was bad in 2nd year, average with Bayern too when they were the best team in Europe with best coach.
Is Flick a bad coach?
Coutinho hasn't started a single knockout game in their CL campaign, when he was subbed he played on the left (the position he statistically played most of the games in his career) and not AM either.
I am glad COutinho is doing well with us atm, and I sure hope he continue doing it. But we need to stop those excuses for our players tbh
What if in 2 months he is back to his EV form but team keep improving? Does that mean Koeman is bad coach?

 

[soul24rage]

The switch to the 433 in the 18/19 season screwed him imo.

He didn't had the skills to play a competent role in any position of the 433.

I think that if we had stuck to the 4231/442 liked what happened in the 2nd half of 17/18 season, then I think he would have done good for us.

 

[danielamorim85]

Coutinho looked good in his first half season here under EV, but he was bad in 2nd year, average with Bayern too when they were the best team in Europe with best coach.
Is Flick a bad coach?
Coutinho hasn't started a single knockout game in their CL campaign, when he was subbed he played on the left (the position he statistically played most of the games in his career) and not AM either.
I am glad COutinho is doing well with us atm, and I sure hope he continue doing it. But we need to stop those excuses for our players tbh
What if in 2 months he is back to his EV form but team keep improving? Does that mean Koeman is bad coach?

Coutinho came in shape to Barcelona, but step by step he lost it with bad training program.
In Bayern he was a starter in half of the matches, the other half the played 20-30 min per game. When he arrived at Bayern, Muller and him was in bad shape, but after he leaves both was in good shape, so we can imagine why Bayern got him (keep in mind Bayern's tranfers policy do not include €80M players with > €10M/y wage). That would also explain why Muller was the CL starter, as he was the real owner of the position.

 

[Calidad]

Anyone with half a brain always knew he needed to be played centrally to get the best out of him.

 

[serghei]

Coutinho came in shape to Barcelona, but step by step he lost it with bad training program.
In Bayern he was a starter in half of the matches, the other half the played 20-30 min per game. When he arrived at Bayern, Muller and him was in bad shape, but after he leaves both was in good shape, so we can imagine why Bayern got him (keep in mind Bayern's tranfers policy do not include €80M players with > €10M/y wage). That would also explain why Muller was the CL starter, as he was the real owner of the position.

Good comment. He wasn't going to play CAM in Bayern when they had Thomas Muller. And on the left they needed a player with more defensive work rate, because they have Alphonso Davies there, who needs a lot of help defensively and who is great offensively. That is why they preferred Perisic.

 

[Jcar]

Lets pray for him. Coutinho at his best would do wonders for us. Messigician, now, are you on Coutinho's team with me?

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[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Coutinho - the reborn.

 

[Messigician]

Its been 2 games... And anything Is an improvement from his 2 assists in 44 games

 

[Zidane82]

Hopefully we have got the Liverpool version this time round

 

[Donauwelle]

Coutinho came in shape to Barcelona, but step by step he lost it with bad training program.
In Bayern he was a starter in half of the matches, the other half the played 20-30 min per game. When he arrived at Bayern, Muller and him was in bad shape, but after he leaves both was in good shape, so we can imagine why Bayern got him (keep in mind Bayern's tranfers policy do not include €80M players with > €10M/y wage). That would also explain why Muller was the CL starter, as he was the real owner of the position.

Actually M?ller was not in bad shape - but they had to play the shiny new toy that they got in the summer sale. M?ller showed in the some minutes (often on for him bad positions) how much he can influence the match.

The media at first played that game, too. Hamann, today Sky pundit, that now Lewy would score so much more goals with Coutinho as provider... (as if Coutinho could be on James' or M?ller's level in that aspect!)