FinBarcelonafan
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No surprise there. Almost no one plays well for Barça. ZTHE moment they sign with Barca they decline 20%.
Philippe Coutinho
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No surprise there. Almost no one plays well for Barça. ZTHE moment they sign with Barca they decline 20%.
FinBarcelonafan
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True. He started complaining etc. I'm happy he is somewhere else and doing well.
devo901
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the phenomenon that good players come to new clubs and then they dont perform I remember KAKA at Real, and other stars thata did never shine there... cooltinho @ barca seems to be simmilar story...
anyone knows the reason for this phenomenon?
(I can imagine lack of integration? no friends at club? bad relationship with manager? wrong position? missing family? dont like the city?)
anyone knows the reason for this phenomenon?
(I can imagine lack of integration? no friends at club? bad relationship with manager? wrong position? missing family? dont like the city?)
serghei
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They are what should be called comfort players. They play well when they are comfortable and when the environment is good, but they lack the mental edge to perform in more chaotic high pressure environments and impose themselves as leaders.
It has nothing to do with their ability as players. Coutinho and Kaka are top top players, regardless if they failed at Barca/Madrid or not. It's just that mental wise they are soft, so it is up to the manager to ensure a type of environment that keeps them focused and comfortable. Some managers cater to the players more than others.
Valverde and Mourinho are totally the wrong type of managers that players like Coutinho, Kaka, Dembele would want to work with. They absolutely don't make it easier for softer players to come through.
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devo901
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I agree...
How much time do you think that the head coach is actually spending with the individual players?
are players having individual talks 1-1 (I guess so) or do co-trainers actually spend more time with players... because some of them I occupy one alone as they need 24h assistence
Pique might get an txt msg here and there
serghei
Senior Member
I agree...
How much time do you think that the head coach is actually spending with the individual players?
are players having individual talks 1-1 (I guess so) or do co-trainers actually spend more time with players... because some of them I occupy one alone as they need 24h assistence
Pique might get an txt msg here and there
Yea, that is spot on. The problem with softer minded players is that they aren't natural leaders and don't have a very strong will, and in front of pressure it is easier for them to lose the confidence. They need something extra from the manager. This is how you can explain a world class player like De Bruyne flopping at Chelsea for example. Salah too, Kaka, Coutinho at Barcelona etc. Many examples of players that were not handled properly by managers who didn't know how to work with them. Sure, in all of these cases, the players are to blame as well. But it is in the end more of a loss for the team, than the player.
Who lost more for the fact that Salah and De Bruyne were badly handled by Mourinho at Chelsea? Chelsea obviously. Who lost more in the Coutinho affair? Barcelona. As long as the club is losing the most, it is normal for the club, through the manager, to work harder, and better to get from these players what have proven they can provide for their teams if comfortable and happy.
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Nothing to do with Valverde. It was just bad scouting and a mismatch. You don't buy Coutinho to play him as a LW or in a midfield three where he is forced to do defensive work. As I wrote long before Coutinho arrived, he is best at Messi' 10 position and need to be the focal point in attack with runners around him.
Thats how you play Coutinho, both Bayern and Liverpool know this and we do too - but nobody can't bench Messi.
So it was just another case of bad scouting. You don't blame the player nor the manager but the one who brought him.
Stop blaming Valverde for everything, this is another failed transfer on our shitty sporting directors. 5 hit of 25 transfers since 2014/2015, thats just ridiculous. FFS stop hiring former players as directors.
We are just randomly buying stars from other teams and try to fit them in ours without thinking about system.
Thats how you play Coutinho, both Bayern and Liverpool know this and we do too - but nobody can't bench Messi.
So it was just another case of bad scouting. You don't blame the player nor the manager but the one who brought him.
Stop blaming Valverde for everything, this is another failed transfer on our shitty sporting directors. 5 hit of 25 transfers since 2014/2015, thats just ridiculous. FFS stop hiring former players as directors.
We are just randomly buying stars from other teams and try to fit them in ours without thinking about system.
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serghei
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You put down players we made money on as failed transfers?
Mina was a failed transfer for example?
Digne was a failed transfer?
We made good profits on those players.
Paco was a failed transfer? Man is a superb squad player and an option as the no9. Not his fault fucking Valverde didn't use him properly. Guy is showing some real killer instinct at Dortmund.
Malcom failed transfer because again Valverde didn't play him even though he was very good when he had the chance, even against top sides?
Come on...
Gomes, Arda, these are failed transfers.
Mina was a failed transfer for example?
Digne was a failed transfer?
We made good profits on those players.
Paco was a failed transfer? Man is a superb squad player and an option as the no9. Not his fault fucking Valverde didn't use him properly. Guy is showing some real killer instinct at Dortmund.
Malcom failed transfer because again Valverde didn't play him even though he was very good when he had the chance, even against top sides?
Come on...
Gomes, Arda, these are failed transfers.
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Yeah, they are definitely failed transfers in terms of adding anything to our team. They didn't add anything because they weren't good enough. I don't care about making money from transfers; we are not Ajax or Lyon. An elite club make money from WINNING, WINNING and WINNING. When we buy a player, its because we think he can add something to the team, not making money on them. You win by constantly adding quality.
Paco was another mismatch. We never ever had played with poachers before. And he isn't the first attacker who has performed in Dortmund but been shit elsewhere
Our sporting department is just shit, they play a big part of our failures the last couple of years.
From 14/15 to 18/19, who did they buy who IMPROVED our team? Umtiti? And who more? Thats four years without adding quality to our team, no wonder we keep playing veterans and getting kicked out in the CL. Our sportdirectors is shit and no wonder when we keep hiring former players who know nothing about recruiting players, now look at the professionals at Liverpool and City
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Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor
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Quick reminder that if they end up activating the fee to buy him, we will have actually made a PROFIT on the purchase of Coutinho to the tune of around 16m. One can only hope.
serghei
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Most of the players we have signed that you consider flops where brought as squad players. And they were more than good for this purpose. Digne was a solid back-up, and we sold Mina because the offer we received was really good. Getting a player for 10m or so, and selling him after 6 months for three times more is solid business.
Umtiti, Arthur, Semedo, De Jong, Griezmann, Lenglet, Vidal. All of these were top transfers.
Massive failures are Arda, and Gomes.
Don't even count the likes of Murillo and Boateng since they cost peanuts and were brought in for urgency matters only.
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