Philippe Coutinho

devo901

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Yeah, they are definitely failed transfers in terms of adding anything to our team. They didn't add anything because they weren't good enough. I don't care about making money from transfers; we are not Ajax or Lyon. An elite club make money from WINNING, WINNING and WINNING. When we buy a player, its because we think he can add something to the team, not making money on them. You win by constantly adding quality.

Paco was another mismatch. We never ever had played with poachers before. And he isn't the first attacker who has performed in Dortmund but been shit elsewhere

Our sporting department is just shit, they play a big part of our failures the last couple of years.

From 14/15 to 18/19, who did they buy who IMPROVED our team? Umtiti? And who more? Thats four years without adding quality to our team, no wonder we keep playing veterans and getting kicked out in the CL. Our sportdirectors is shit and no wonder when we keep hiring former players who know nothing about recruiting players, now look at the professionals at Liverpool and City

What you are saying is very convincing and sounds reasonable.

I had an idea (non-fact based): what if, besides all the non-matching player examples you listed, even the good matches dont make it into the team mid-term? What if they are denied/ignored/not welcome by the rest of the team? E.g. the Messi-Suarez-Busquets-Piquet - form an informal gang of buddies knowing each other for 10 years and they "decide" who they like and who not ... childish bahaviour, unprofessional, like in school but I see this every day in companies....


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you think this, in a mild form can happen at barca?
 
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Riordon

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What you are saying is very convincing and sounds reasonable.

I had an idea (non-fact based): what if, besides all the non-matching player examples you listed, even the good matches dont make it into the team mid-term? What if they are denied/ignored/not welcome by the rest of the team? E.g. the Messi-Suarez-Busquets-Piquet - form an informal gang of buddies knowing each other for 10 years and they "decide" who they like and who not ... childish bahaviour, unprofessional, like in school but I see this every day in companies....


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you think this, in a mild form can happen at barca?

Very possible. It’s not helping we have a sporting director in Abidal who few years ago was a teammate and personal mate to those guys, off course he listens to them. We need to be more professional. No more former ex players as sporting directors, hire professionals. Statsnerds mixed with eyes of great scouts.

From 14/15 to 18/19 we have roughly spend the same amount of money on players as City, they get one world class players after the other while we buy “squad players”. It’s completely ridiculous that we spend the same amount of money for them to buy world class players and us buying shit squad players... “BUT they do fine” we’ll fine isn’t good enough.

Everything went wrong since we lost Txixi. Really, really underrated guy.

Not adding a single quality player from 14/15 to 2018 besides Umtiti despite spending HUGE amount of money, that’s the failure and play a huge role in a crisis now.

Abidal out. Forget Puyol too
 

devo901

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Very possible. It’s not helping we have a sporting director in Abidal who few years ago was a teammate and personal mate to those guys, off course he listens to them. We need to be more professional. No more former ex players as sporting directors, hire professionals. Statsnerds mixed with eyes of great scouts.

From 14/15 to 18/19 we have roughly spend the same amount of money on players as City, they get one world class players after the other while we buy “squad players”. It’s completely ridiculous that we spend the same amount of money for them to buy world class players and us buying shit squad players... “BUT they do fine” we’ll fine isn’t good enough.

Everything went wrong since we lost Txixi. Really, really underrated guy.

Not adding a single quality player from 14/15 to 2018 besides Umtiti despite spending HUGE amount of money, that’s the failure and play a huge role in a crisis now.

Abidal out. Forget Puyol too

I agree,

(btw: wasnt Begiristain also a barca player, so he seems to be a positive example of former player that are more than just good ex-players, besides pep, loius enrique...)

In recent team management history, some might diagnost that the tide turned a bit, management :blind: learned the ropes, finally ;)...

As FDJ, Griez, Arthur, were overall positive new addons, which are more than just "long-lasting running horses/huskies" for messi /suarez. So maybe the future will be brighter...
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Gaudi

Senior Member
Another great game...normally you could say he was a bad fit in Barca but when I look Greiz, De Jong, Dembele...hmm many bad fits or something different, we all know what!
 

EdmondDantes

New member
I watched the first 30 min until our game kicked off and he looked cheat code against that recently promoted team.


Bayern certainly won't buy him since they'll hand the dosh over to City for Sane but some other Premier League team will.


Good for us either way.
 

Sailor Mars

Well-known member
He looked great today. Getting away from Ernestine has done wonders for him. Helps that Bayern doesn't play a static and slow brand of football.
 

Danic

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Obvious. Such a player doesnnt get complete shit suddenly
but when pressed in a static system and wron position.
Valverde is masterclass in this regard...
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Good for us. Coutinho is either going to come back next season recharged and re-energized and become an important part of us post-Valverde or he is going to be sold to some EPL team to minimize our financial loss. Good for us.
 

Yannik

Senior Member
Bayern certainly won't buy him since they'll hand the dosh over to City for Sane but some other Premier League team will.


Good for us either way.

Bayern will have a new management with Kahn by the next season. Hoeness wanted Sané, but he is not going to be in charge in 2 months any longer and isn't going to be involved in Bayerns transfer business anymore. According to Hoeness Kahn also isn't "instructed" to sign Sané, it's completely up to him what he'll do now. He might continue stalking Sané, but he might also discard this idea and try to sign Havertz sintead. Or he'll sign Coutinho (which if he plays like that in CL isn't unexpected) or he'll even go for a completely different name that we don't know yet.

The "original plan" is not immortalized and really noone knows in what direction things are heading..
 
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You make it sound like Hoeneß is the CEO of Bayern, but that is the job of Rummenigge since a long time.

He is the president of the club and chairman of the supervisory board though and that makes him able to veto some important decisions and to complicate things and he really has used his influence whenever possible the last years, also not being able to shut his mouth spouting out his senile old nonsense far to often lately..really time to leave.

Him leaving changes absolutely nothing, as Rummenigge, Salihamidzic & Co. all want Sane and the deal between them has been agreed ages ago.

Kahn will come next summer, yes, but he will learn his trades at the beginning, cos Rummenigge still has contract until 2021.

Also, Bayern are interested in both, Sane AND Havertz
 

Yannik

Senior Member
You make it sound like Hoeneß is the CEO of Bayern, but that is the job of Rummenigge since a long time.

He is the president of the club and chairman of the supervisory board though and that makes him able to veto some important decisions and to complicate things and he really has used his influence whenever possible the last years, also not being able to shut his mouth spouting out his senile old nonsense far to often lately..really time to leave.

Him leaving changes absolutely nothing, as Rummenigge, Salihamidzic & Co. all want Sane and the deal between them has been agreed ages ago.

Kahn will come next summer, yes, but he will learn his trades at the beginning, cos Rummenigge still has contract until 2021.

Also, Bayern are interested in both, Sane AND Havertz

The deal isn't agreed. There was supposed to be a deal in the summer, but it feel through due to Citys demands and his injury. Hoeness said 2 days ago that "the new bosses will reasses wether they still want Sané" and that it's also heavily dependent on Sanés injury situation. Remember Once ACL, Always ACL and Bayern isn't exactly keen on extending their history with injury prone players.
 

Yannik

Senior Member
MOTM vs Paderborn today in Bayern's 3-2 win. Could've comfortably had 3 or 4 assists here.


Paderborn obviously isn't the bar and in this video clip video he's really toying with them at ease. Having watched the whole game though, Bayern was struggling quite a lot and while Coutinho was confidently cutting through defense like butter, the other team mates had a hard time getting the 3 points. Paderborn was deserving of a draw here. He really made the difference in this game, not just going with the flow.
 
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