Aryagorn
Improvin' Perfection!!
Only counting first teams...
Heynckes has been a manager since 1979.
He has won the Bundesliga now 4 times. Champions League two times.
Mourinho has been a manager since 2000.
Won league titles 9 times for Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid. He's won the Champions League two times.
Ancelotti has been a manager since 1995
Won only 4 league titles. Champions League three times.
Guardiola has been a manager since 2008
Won the league 7 times in his term with Barca, Bayern and City so far. Won the Champions League two times with Barcelona.
All these guys have had some ATG teams with vast resources, all have suffered humiliating defeats and low points in their careers. As you can see Pep is actually doing quite well and is very dominant given his trophy haul in such a short time.
People here really lack perspective sometimes and behave like scorned lovers. Pep got his flaws like everyone else, but the constant narrative trying to downplay his achievements and his position as one of the best managers in the sport is getting to a ridiculous point now.
The Champions League is NOT and I repeat NOT easy to win. The only reason Barcelona or Real Madrid fans desire one every year and might be more disappointed than anyone else is because Barca got Messi, arguably the greatest of all-time and Cristiano who's turned into a super clutch goalscoring machine in the Champions League.
If it was so easy then a legendary manager like Heynckes who's managed Bayern on two separate occasions, a Gladbach that was at their historic best and Real Madrid, would not have only won two titles in nearly four decades.
Short term memory like ones of goldfishes, entitlement, ungratefulness, the constant need to shit on people that dared leave this club to pursue a career elsewhere that you see with regularity here is just hilariously pathetic.
Edit: Looks like the wrong thread, but too lazy to post is there too so let it be. Saw Pep being mentioned here so assumed this was his thread were people were shitting over him like he's supposed to win 10 CL titles when Ancelotti whom people wank over has won three having been a manager for 13 more years lol.
Pep Guardiola inherited one of the best off all times team which had 2 greatest mid fielders of all time and the budding GOAT! Look at it this way, of his 7 league wins, 3 are by the aforementioned stars and 3 are free rides, again by inheriting a treble winners at that!!
As you provide the stats, Mourinho's achievements now seem much better than Guardiola's. He's only been around only 8 years more than Pep, started off with minnows - And wherever he has won significant things he built that team. And rarely has his teams been humiliated so much in the CL, yes he is a defensive manager and Guardiola an attacking one but he has also not gotten himself so many high profile transfer failures like Pep did