fergus90
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I do indeed mate. Out of all the clubs he could have gone to, going to City was puzzling to me.
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I do indeed mate. Out of all the clubs he could have gone to, going to City was puzzling to me.
Temptation
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I rate Grealish so highly. What an amazing player to watch. He was possibly the best player in the league for Villa.
His style of play is very cultured. His touch and finesse is not like your typical British player. Barca fans would love his technique. The problem is you guys haven't seen him at his best for Villa. He was so good in the little playing time Southgate gave him in the Euros.
His style of play is very cultured. His touch and finesse is not like your typical British player. Barca fans would love his technique. The problem is you guys haven't seen him at his best for Villa. He was so good in the little playing time Southgate gave him in the Euros.
idk mate, maybe he was phenomenal at villa but at city so far he has been preeeeeetty disappointing :/
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haven't watched him at Villa, but look at this video supposed to show his best highlights for Villa:
I don't see an elite player. IMO he is quite limited, his technique is inconsistent, dribbles with his head down. He reminds me of Deulofeu who also looked/looks good at Everton, Watford and Udinese, but failed when got his chance at Barca.
Not to mention that he lacks any real pace to be a top winger.
Maybe it's just an aesthetic problem for me. He just looks awkward with the ball, with poor balance like he can trip on the ball at any second.
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City and Liverpool the best rivalry of the EPL history CONFIRMED!
Football-wise, perhaps, but there is no "tension" here, Klopp and Pep only says nice things about each other, and even with tactical fouling like Liverpool did yesterday, no one really got mad.
Temptation
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Grealish is not a winger. He can play LM, AM, RM, left sided 8, False 9 etc. He was used as a wide playmaker who floated inside in order to accommodate Barkley a classic number 10. Like Iniesta played at LW sometimes except Jack was more than comfortable at that position even regularly. He's comfortable anywhere behind the striker. Even on the Right wing. Fluid positionally.
Grealish was magical at times. Also had great vision. He excelled at carrying the ball and winning fouls. It was ridiculously hard to get the ball off him.
Under Dean Smith he was pretty much carrying Villa. When he was injured the difference was so prominent.
I'd strongly disagree with the awkward part. He's pretty elegant and that's just his style. He kinda floats forward smoothly protecting the ball in a Hazard-esque manner. Emi Martinez compared his ball carrying style to Messi(he did not me).
I think City is the wrong club for him. He needs to express himself more. He'd actually be great for Chelsea in Mount's Role or even at United Spurs or Arsenal.
[MENTION=22060]fergus90[/MENTION] back me up here.
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Jenks
Senior Member
This is one of the weirdest post I've ever seen on this forum. All the things you identify as weaknesses he excels in (he's rapid btw), the problem with Grealish is that his movement is non-existent. He doesn't know when to make runs and in this City team he'd rather just keep the ball moving than take a risk.
El Gato
Villarato!
City and Liverpool the best rivalry of the EPL history CONFIRMED!
Aside whatever results this takes into account, the elo rating considers Scolari Chelsea in 2008 stronger than ZZ's 2017 Real Madrid
Graphics always nice till you find the weird and completely ass outliers which more often than not break the whole system
KingLeo10
Senior Member
I think the metric is immediately (as in last 3-5 is years before a given date of evaluation) cumulative. They list Barca 2012 as the greatest team of all time based on this metric and anyone with a pair of eyes knows that 2011 and 2009 were clearly better.
But under an immediately cumulative assessment, the ELO peaking in 2012 makes sense.
That could explain why Chelsea 08 (given the sheer extent of their domination of EPL from 04 onwards) are higher than ZZ's 2017 RM, even though no one in their right mind would agree with Chelsea 08 (that season alone) being superior to ZZ RM 2017.
Seems to hold in the case of Bayern as well. Their all time peak is 2014 where they were...slapped silly by RM
Temptation
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Tell me about it!
Grealish actually nonchalantly glides up the pitch. He's not Dembele quick but still fast af
El Gato
Villarato!
I think the metric is immediately (as in last 3-5 is years before a given date of evaluation) cumulative. They list Barca 2012 as the greatest team of all time based on this metric and anyone with a pair of eyes knows that 2011 and 2009 were clearly better.
But under an immediately cumulative assessment, the ELO peaking in 2012 makes sense.
That could explain why Chelsea 08 (given the sheer extent of their domination of EPL from 04 onwards) are higher than ZZ's 2017 RM, even though no one in their right mind would agree with Chelsea 08 (that season alone) being superior to ZZ RM 2017.
Seems to hold in the case of Bayern as well. Their all time peak is 2014 where they were...slapped silly by RM
There is no shot Chelsea 2005-2008 is better than Real 2014-2017 even when you look at cumulative assessment.
And I dont even think the list is poor, the top10 they have listed in the stats section makes a lot of sense.
But there is plenty wrong using these data and not giving an asterisk for adjustments. They even say inter-league adjustments are still to be made. Only reason Chelsea ELO there in 2008 must be stronger is because Premier League was generally outperforming Spain in Europe. But even that makes little sense in all-time ranking. Milan 2003-07 peaked at 1950 and I wholly disagree with Chelsea being better there
Rating seems pretty agreeable. But if not noted, people will eat it up, repost and twist like they do xG
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KingLeo10
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I think (could be wrong) that Chelsea 04 onwards are being given more points for winning their league games than say a RM 14-17 because of both the relative strength of the premier league in Europe (which was also true for RM during this time period), but also their relative dominance in the league (Chelsea put daylight in between them and United/Arsenal for those first 2 years under Mou) while all the leagues from 14-17 were tightly contested affairs with Barca (both around 90 points on average).
Agree that it needs a lot of caveating/explanation of assumptions. But the average fan will gobble it up.
fergus90
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Yup, City is the wrong club for him said it at the time. His playstyle is stifled in that system and goes against his natural instincts as a footballer.
He looks afraid to make a mistake so is just keeping things simple.
He's the most talented footballer we've had in my lifetime and can glide past players with such ease.
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