ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Messi won it... didnt stop you from saying he was old and finished and would be a bad signing if we brought him back.
Standards just change every day of the week depending on what argument you want to make.
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serghei
Senior Member
Messi's head has been on Argentina for the last 2 seasons. Preparing for the Cup. Not relevant at all to the topic.
The fact is nobody rates our players atm in a big manner. Except the fans here. They are talented, but... the road from talent to a big player is long.
The fact I exaggerated on Havertz, despite him being great in Chelsea's CL title, does not change that.
The fact is nobody rates our players atm in a big manner. Except the fans here. They are talented, but... the road from talent to a big player is long.
The fact I exaggerated on Havertz, despite him being great in Chelsea's CL title, does not change that.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
It is absolutely relevant... you just referenced Ballon Dor ratings as a reason why players are good or bad.
Yet you dont rate the guy who literally won it.
Just doesnt make sense and you change your arguments all the time to fit whatever new agenda you have.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
You slaughtered Messi for years saying he made players like arthur worse at Barca.
Then claimed would make Barca worse if came back.
Plenty rate Barca players...
FDJ wasnt in ballondor list either and he would walk into any team in the world.
serghei
Senior Member
I don't need any BD rating lol, I just mentioned it as a side argument. It's already obvious the players are not great atm, because they didn't do much to deserve that prestige. Being considered great is not based on talent, or things you may do someday, but on great things you did and great games you played in recent years.
Most of our young players barely played a decent European match out of CL groups.
Most of our young players barely played a decent European match out of CL groups.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Gundogan was in the top 20 anyway.
But he doenst count for some Serghie mental gymnastics reasons.
Gundo isnt better than FDJ whether he is on that list or not.
But he doenst count for some Serghie mental gymnastics reasons.
Gundo isnt better than FDJ whether he is on that list or not.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
How could he be... top20 ballon'dor...
JamDav1982
Senior Member
But in top 20....
That was your point.
Where are Reals 'elite' GK and defence in that top 20?
Modric better than FDJ etc aye...
Top stuff.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Lewa was in the top 20 also.
So two Barca players.
What a fucking terrible point to make.
So two Barca players.
What a fucking terrible point to make.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
Lewa and Gundo in Balondor top 20 and not one of Reals elite GK and back four.
Top points being made here as usual....
Top points being made here as usual....
CatalinR10
Senior Member
Newcastle leads 1-0 vs Arsenal.
Still looked like a foul to me at their goal.
Still looked like a foul to me at their goal.
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