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[Andresito]

Hiddink coached PSV and Australia at the same time around 2006

Cool, had no idea. Still only 13 games.

It seems like an extreme rarity though. And would think sides like PSG and France that are aiming for the absolute biggest trophies in world football would want someone who's 100% dedicated to their cause, not 50.

 

[Birdy]

What?s risk aversive lol. In recent past there?s been only the Madrid job that made any sense with all other ones taken and Juve in the shitter. You can call him a pussy (because you are for all intents and purposes), he ain?t one. He doesn?t need to have to deal with people he isn?t accustomed to until he doesn?t have other choice. PSG job is uniquely suited as he can still use French legend status like he did at club level till now in RM. Same methods without having to reinvent too early.

Common Wolfe's response, defending always Perez and Zizou like they are his siblings or something.

No, dude, that's exactly what 'risk-aversive' is.
Hiding at an NT job, where competitions that matter happen every 2 years at best, the span you have at your disposal - within which you can get criticized - is far wider than at club level, and of course don't forget we are not talking about any NT: but about the one with the greatest wealth of talent since golden generation of Spain.

When *supposedly* you are a 'top' coach and have every right to expect a top club job...
But no, there you will be criticized every day of your job, might get the sack after some months, and of course:
there is a great RISK of getting exposed...
and mighty Zizou knows that he is nowhere near the level of a 3times CL winner as a coach, he knows his real level, and he fears that exposing might indeed happen (even at PSG, despite the Galactico policy of the owners fits him)

And the argument that a coach has to reject jobs where he "deals with people he isn?t accustomed to" is laughable
If Klopp Pep Tuchel and tons of other had that kind of mentality, they would never have attained the levels they have atm

Zizou is a big pussy and coward, but sensible also in that he knows where his limits lie

 

[El Gato]

Calling international management "hiding"

Another big brain Birdy take

 

[Birdy]

Calling international management "hiding"

Another big brain Birdy take

It is..
Hiding from constant criticism and scrutiny.
The stakes at NT are much lower.
That's why no top coach with ambition is anywhere near NT level before retirement age

 

[Messi983]

Cool, had no idea. Still only 13 games.

It seems like an extreme rarity though. And would think sides like PSG and France that are aiming for the absolute biggest trophies in world football would want someone who's 100% dedicated to their cause, not 50.

We'll see what will happen, he still didn't sign a contract but I've read a week ago Qataris offered Zidane a chance to simultaneously take over NT (if Deschamps will leave after WC) if that is what's needed for him to accept a job.

Not sure if France would do that though unless they would think he's the best candidate (which he probably is).

And there are apparently still disagreements between the owners (who want Zidane) and newly appointed SD Campos (he prefers Galtier). In the end Doha will probably get what Doha wants. But reports were nothing will be official before end of June. They first still need to pay out Pochettino to leave. Which shouldn't be a problem but they probably want to at least make it look like they care about FFP or something.

 

[Temptation]

Common Wolfe's response, defending always Perez and Zizou like they are his siblings or something.

No, dude, that's exactly what 'risk-aversive' is.
Hiding at an NT job, where competitions that matter happen every 2 years at best, the span you have at your disposal - within which you can get criticized - is far wider than at club level, and of course don't forget we are not talking about any NT: but about the one with the greatest wealth of talent since golden generation of Spain.

When *supposedly* you are a 'top' coach and have every right to expect a top club job...
But no, there you will be criticized every day of your job, might get the sack after some months, and of course:
there is a great RISK of getting exposed...
and mighty Zizou knows that he is nowhere near the level of a 3times CL winner as a coach, he knows his real level, and he fears that exposing might indeed happen (even at PSG, despite the Galactico policy of the owners fits him)

And the argument that a coach has to reject jobs where he "deals with people he isn?t accustomed to" is laughable
If Klopp Pep Tuchel and tons of other had that kind of mentality, they would never have attained the levels they have atm

Zizou is a big pussy and coward, but sensible also in that he knows where his limits lie

Spot on. Scared of getting exposed big time. There were ample ampunt of job openings in this time span.

Zidane is self aware. That's a positive. He knows where he'll shit the bed and what his management abilities permit.

 

[El Gato]

Definitely much lower stakes, yes
Is why players don't care about it at all yes
Is why coaches like Hiddink, Beckenbauer or Sacchi failed internationally before they turned 55, why Mancini or Flick manage NT. Southgate most afraid of them all.

It all makes sense now.
Tell us more Birdy

 

[Birdy]

Definitely much lower stakes, yes
Is why players don't care about it at all yes
Is why coaches like Hiddink, Beckenbauer or Sacchi failed internationally before they turned 55, why Mancini or Flick manage NT. Southgate most afraid of them all.

It all makes sense now.
Tell us more Birdy

LOOOL
You are making ridiculous claims just to double down on your shit, mate?

YES!
club and NT level are worlds apart..
Players caring for NT prizes is a non-argument. (Should I remind you again that you should work on your logic?)
It's your habit lately to pull off strawmen or logical non-sequiturs when you are being cornered...

YES!
Mancini couldn't land a proper club job after City, and was hopping from failure to failure, before he settled for the NT job.
And you won't find any top coach wanting to coach NT before his retirement or pre-retirement stage. Even fucking Mourinho prefers to farm in Roma and in a few years in Turkey or Greece THAN go to Portugal NT

Flick is the only exception, who could land top club jobs, because of his special ties with the German NT and how he structured himself their identity

PS: We all appreciate here your zest to defend Zizou whenever he is attacked.
But the truth is evident.
He is a coward, sorry...

 

[El Gato]

Bless

 

[Andresito]

Poch about the get the sack. Galtier the replacement.

From what I've read he's a pragmatic coach, very reliant on a 4-4-2 formation. A front 2 will definitely suit Messi and Mbappe, but the question is whether Neymar can be a LM.
They'll need a new hard working RM too with Di Maria gone.

 

[Porque]

Good to see that Tebas FFP case against PSG is succeeding.

22/23 market
-Mbappe renews with 100m+ Red Camel Night bonus
-Nuno Mendes confirmed for 38m
-Scamacca rumoured at 35m+
-Vitinha rumoured at 40m
-Skriniar close for 60m+
-Gaultier for 10m to Nice

 

[Messi983]

Poch about the get the sack. Galtier the replacement.

From what I've read he's a pragmatic coach, very reliant on a 4-4-2 formation. A front 2 will definitely suit Messi and Mbappe, but the question is whether Neymar can be a LM.
They'll need a new hard working RM too with Di Maria gone.

I've read they're planning on using a 3-5-2, not sure how they would set up though.

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.c...ew-look-psg-that-will-feature-3-5-2-formation

There were also reports Campos is working to offload Neymar but won't be easy.

Good to see that Tebas FFP case against PSG is succeeding.

22/23 market
-Mbappe renews with 100m+ Red Camel Night bonus
-Nuno Mendes confirmed for 38m
-Scamacca rumoured at 35m+
-Vitinha rumoured at 40m
-Skriniar close for 60m+
-Gaultier for 10m to Nice

You also forgot to mention Renato Sanches who is close to join PSG although he'll be cheaper than other mentioned players. He was Milan bound for months but now Campos (he already signed Renato for Lille) has come in for him.


About Tebas, here is Nasser's response to his critics.

https://www.football-espana.net/202...-a-dead-league-and-claps-back-at-javier-tebas

?Tebas? I don?t know him. Let him worry about his championship, because it?s a bit dead and he should stop lecturing [people].?

Asked whether he was worried about the complaint being put in, Al-Khelaifi dismissed anything of the sort.

?Who is Tebas? I don?t know him. Our style is to not to get into the affairs of other clubs, other leagues or federations, it?s not our style. But I?m not going to accept other people giving us lectures.?

?I don?t care what is said, truthfully, people have been speaking about this for years now. We have a footballing project to construct and we are going to forge ahead.?

Can't believe it, as much as I hate what PSG represents in modern football he's actually right here. Tebas should worry about making La Liga more competitive instead of wasting his time with PSG. Although that second part of PSG not getting into affairs of other clubs and federations is a bit ironic when he has UEFA deep in his pockets.

I've laughed hard a few weeks ago when Nasser and Čeferin had that conference in Slovenia and Čeferin said something like "a few billionairs can't ruin our football" with Nasser sitting right next to him. Can't make this stuff up.



Also, just reading Galtier also wants to bring Khephren Thuram with him. Tbh if they get him alongside Vitinha and Sanches that would be a big quality upgrade in midfield. All also young so they can grow and develop together.

 

[Andresito]

A 3-5-2 would suit them on paper actually.

Ramos, Kimpembe, Marquinhos and Skriniar fighting for 3 of the CB spots. Mendes and Hakimi on each wing. Mbappe, Messi and probably Neymar in a front three, either in a 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-2-1.

I wonder where the orders come from though, is it Campos who's pushing for that formation? Galtier has played with a back 3 before, but not more than 3-4 games in a row. And results have looked underwhelming compared to his back 4. After scrolling through his formations, a back 3 has been used in like 5 % of his games.

 

[malvolio]

Poch about the get the sack. Galtier the replacement.

From what I've read he's a pragmatic coach, very reliant on a 4-4-2 formation. A front 2 will definitely suit Messi and Mbappe, but the question is whether Neymar can be a LM.
They'll need a new hard working RM too with Di Maria gone.

Galtier is the best manager in France right now. But is he ready to make the step up and handle all those stars? I doubt it.

 

[Porque]

PSG seem to be going back to their original model under Leonardo of picking up emerging world class players at more respectable prices. With a limitless budget this is the way to go, sprinkled with a dose of world class players. Marquinhos, Verratti, etc with Ibra upfront and Thiago in CB.

Kheilifi kind of lost his way the first time with multiple CL exits in the 2nd round and changed model to a more galactico method which unbalanced everything.

Let's see if the people Campos targets succeed in the elite tier. There is a differance in unearthing talent players and molding them in low pressure environments compared to needing to compete for everything every year.

But for sure, what they are doing in these past months looks more balanced than what they done the past 5 years.