Abaddon
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ricknattery
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well, in the history of Spain at least
AnfieldEd
I am Leg End
Raul was probably the most underrated striker in the late 90's and early 00's. When people were talking of the likes of Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Crespo, Van Nistlerooy, Del Piero etc Raul is in those pantheon of players at that time - world class.
Just see his demolition of man u in 2000 - utterly superb.
Just see his demolition of man u in 2000 - utterly superb.
Abaddon
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Nope, keep trying.
ricknattery
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This is the proof:
Top scorers of Real Madrid History in official games(ratio goal per game):
Puskas ---------------0.91 goals per game (240 goals in 262 games)
Pahiño----------------0,88 goals per game (127 goals in 144 games)
Di Stefano------------0,78 goals per game (308 goals in 392 games)
Hugo Sanchez-------0,73 goals per game (208 golas in 283 games)
Van Nistelrooy-------0,66 goals per game (64 goals in 97 games)
Ronaldo--------------0,61 goals per game (108 goals in 177 games)
Zamorano------------0,58 goals per game (101 in 173 games)
Santillana------------0,45 goals per game (290 golas in 643 games)
Raul -----------------0,43 goals per game (323 goals in 741 games)
There you go, longetivity is the key word
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KNUG
By that logic you also think Hunelaar is alot better than Van Basten and so on
Beast
The Observer
Brilliant logic.. u do realize for long period of time Raul played as a LM ? .. i thought u know that since u watched Raul in Peru ?
or that he wasn't the central striker for a long time but a supporting striker .. he only played as CF in between Suker/Mijatovic leaving and Ronaldo arriving and even than he was behind Moro who was the number 9 player as Raul was the supporting striker even Guti played as a CF but i guess the broadcast in Peru showed different things...
He survived manager changed and unbalanced formation .. i don't like Raul that much (as most here know ) but what you are saying is the most retarded thing i heard for a while .. as Joel said Huntelaar must be superior than Van Basten
ricknattery
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that's what most raulistas say, he was played in different possitions, that's why he coulndt score that much. Look I have nothing against Raul and i'm not gonna keep bringing more stuff into this, but just if you want to check where all of these comes from, you can check this video(actually there are 11 or 13 chapters of them) And they were made by a spanish madridista(it explains with details and stats, while he is one of the most overated players in Spain's history), if you can understand Spanish
AnfieldEd
I am Leg End
How was he overrated though?
In a 6 year period, in which he was an integral part of the team, Madrid won 3 CL titles and 2 la ligas.
In their "galactico" policy Raul was always a regular in that team, not because (unlike in his latter years) he politically demanded place in the team, but because he was more than good enough with his ability to be in the team.
Maybe you are thinking of Raul in his latter years as a footballer, but people quite often forget that in his peak he was a fantastic player.
In a 6 year period, in which he was an integral part of the team, Madrid won 3 CL titles and 2 la ligas.
In their "galactico" policy Raul was always a regular in that team, not because (unlike in his latter years) he politically demanded place in the team, but because he was more than good enough with his ability to be in the team.
Maybe you are thinking of Raul in his latter years as a footballer, but people quite often forget that in his peak he was a fantastic player.
Raed
Dr. Raed St. Claire
If you are not going to concede the fact that he was not a striker for the beginning of his career but an LM then I am sure for someone who is impressed by statistics would be interested in his ratio as his career progressed. Like Beast, I was not very fond of Raul because of his political power over the club but if longetivity is the reason for him to break records then it is also longetivity that worsened his ratio as his career progressed.
Beast
The Observer
Raulista's would be Abbadon .. i'm hardly a Raulista in fact (and many old members would vouch for that ) i'm one of the anti-Raul brigade and the most outspoken
what Schuster said i've said a long time ago
however that still makes your statement about him being overrated the most absurd and retard statement in the forum for a while , he is anything but overrated he used his power to stay at the club but even the die hard cule would tell you he was a model pro on and off the pitch and worked his ass off when he lost it all .. still for an overrated player who scored double digits the season before the last makes you more wrong .
look it's clear you haven't seen anything of Raul in the old days .. cut the 9 year old Peru crap cause any old cule who watched the liga longer than 5 years would tell you actually have no clue about the subject in discussion
silky_soccer
Fireman Sam
Is Rauls Spainsh NT record due to longievity aswell?
JCCR_FCB
Barcelona, a Cidade Condal
Mate... it's not very easy to discuss in a forum in an foreigh language... I'll try to do my best, but sometimes, things don't work very well...
ricknattery
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Like I said before, Raul had 4 good years, amazing years. Then he was pretty normal, Marca and As still treated him as a star for many years. They even started a campaign previous to the last Eurocup to put pressure on Luis Aragones so he can be on the Spanish NT(Aragones had to cope with tremendous pressure) they didnt have success in the Euro but they did have success in 06 WC. The ridiculous Media made many people in Spain to start complaining about Raul. Those videos also explain the conexions he might have with the press cos' they always talk good about him, they hide the bad things that come from him. They got so ridiculous that in the pre-season of summer 09 they said he was the most in form player of RM (over CR, Higuain, Marcelo,..) They didn't provide any proof to support that. That's just an example, there are millions of those
Ok Raed, but check this:
His stats till season 2000/2001
Games---334
Goals----163
Ratio goal per game----0,48.
So, there is no excuse, as a pure 9 he was still regular
Not much different and definitely not a statistic for a WC striker. At least not in the way the media has told everyone
Raul was a pro on and off the pitch is another lie from the media. Those videos show how Raul in his teenage years: he insulted his own coach in front of everyone, he liked to party a lot, he even had to apologize in a press conference for his bad form, when he was about 20-21). He said he was young and he was going to learn. But then he did it again with Camacho, Schuster, and maybe i'm leaving another coach, but of course the press, the almighty press from Madrid was with him, and they hide that. It is all in the videos, there are audios from not so popular sport media in Spain that talk with facts and proof about the conexion between Raul and the most popular press from Madrid.
Yes it is. He has scored 44 goals in 102 games(ratio of 0,43 per game) Crappy ratio and most of them in friendlies and classification games against small NT. In Euros and WC he has scored 6 golas in 18 games (0,33 goals per game, so even worst).
There are at least 10 strikers in Spain that have more goals per game than him
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