Real Madrid (old thread)

[Beast]

You do realize that Raul can't pull that in Spain due to

1- the Media of Barcelona which is as strong and wouldn't let it slide
2- Raul making a mistake as a young player (nothing on the video back your claims nor do i remember such thing happening ) doesn't mean he repeated it .. the man was as slick as a snake and apart from Schuster words no one had anything bad to say about his attitude or those ridiculous party man claims
3- Raul (this is coming from everyone who partnered him ) is very shy person he is not a party man but a true family man it's one of the problem than didn't make him a great captain for Real compared to Hierro or Mano before him he is so closed to himself .
he was feared due to his statues as the king of Madrid from players but those who coached him or partnered him and retired says nothing on him except that.. his only publicized duel was with Ronaldo season 05 that's the only thing that only slated his time before that he couldn't even slam his coach as u claim cause the dressing room was totally controlled by two iron men
Fernando Hierro and Mano Sanchis

now if you say Raul was behind Del Bosque and Hierro departure i would conquer but with the state of tabloid in Spain you cannot party or make problems without your enemies press knowing .. that's the way it goes
and a youtube video made by a guy (not even the press as u claim )won't change that fact.
when Guti was with a trans. it was all over the press when he kissed a guy (turned out his sister ) it was all over the press.. maybe you need to live in Spain for a while and learn more .

Almighty press was with him no doubt but pulling shit in the training ground or partying late @ night is next morning front page in the catalan and basque press they would not find such opportunity and waive it .. not with what Raul represent .
Raul is close friends with Pep and he went out with him for a Dinner last year in Barcelona .. so go figure what kind of party animal he is


I'm sorry but you still far from knowing Raul or making sense in this subject , you need to learn a lot before you make rubbish statement backed only by Schuster opinion (which i kinda agree with schuster ) on Cadena Ser that Raul was the reason he didn't sign Villa and that he is the cancer of Madrid but that's schuster more or less

 

[ricknattery]

You do realize that Raul can't pull that in Spain due to

1- the Media of Barcelona which is as strong and wouldn't let it slide
2- Raul making a mistake as a young player (nothing on the video back your claims nor do i remember such thing happening ) doesn't mean he repeated it .. the man was as slick as a snake and apart from Schuster words no one had anything bad to say about his attitude or those ridiculous party man claims
3- Raul (this is coming from everyone who partnered him ) is very shy person he is not a party man but a true family man it's one of the problem than didn't make him a great captain for Real compared to Hierro or Mano before him he is so closed to himself .
he was feared due to his statues as the king of Madrid from players but those who coached him or partnered him and retired says nothing on him except that.. his only publicized duel was with Ronaldo season 05 that's the only thing that only slated his time before that he couldn't even slam his coach as u claim cause the dressing room was totally controlled by two iron men
Fernando Hierro and Mano Sanchis

now if you say Raul was behind Del Bosque and Hierro departure i would conquer but with the state of tabloid in Spain you cannot party or make problems without your enemies press knowing .. that's the way it goes
and a youtube video made by a guy (not even the press as u claim )won't change that fact.
when Guti was with a trans. it was all over the press when he kissed a guy (turned out his sister ) it was all over the press.. maybe you need to live in Spain for a while and learn more .

Almighty press was with him no doubt but pulling shit in the training ground or partying late @ night is next morning front page in the catalan and basque press they would not find such opportunity and waive it .. not with what Raul represent .
Raul is close friends with Pep and he went out with him for a Dinner last year in Barcelona .. so go figure what kind of party animal he is


I'm sorry but you still far from knowing Raul or making sense in this subject , you need to learn a lot before you make rubbish statement backed only by Schuster opinion (which i kinda agree with schuster ) on Cadena Ser that Raul was the reason he didn't sign Villa and that he is the cancer of Madrid but that's schuster more or less

You have watched just one video. The schuster thing is just one out of many things just like that. There are 13 videos, all supported with facts, with audios with declarations from Raul, from coaches, from players...I said he was a party boy in his teenage years(fact he apologized in a press conference for this) surprisingly nobody ever talks about it, nobody even know Raul used to be a party boy(the power of media).
He was a coach disturber during his entire career in Madrid, he did this with Camacho, Schuster and Pellegrini(after Alcorcon, if you want proof keep watching the videos). I have no idea why you are mentioning the Guti incident(that came from Quore, rubbish press from the heart). I'm talking about sports media, the non biased, the non madridista, non cule. I never said anything about Hierro or Del Bosque. Finally you gotta be kiding me: The madrid press is ten times more powerful than the catalan press, and you know it. Just check how well spread in all of Spain is the Madrid press compared to the cule media. It's just ridiculous the power of influence that Prisa Group(where As comes from) and Marca have all over Spain
And one last thing all I'm saying is Raul is not as good as many people believe, I'm not saying he should be demonized or he is an awful guy who shoudn't have friends. So Pep being friend with Raul has no point in this argument
PD. your argument of him not being a 9 all the time is rubbish. Check what I answered to Raed's post

 

[Beast]

I didn't want to comment on your post to Raed cause until 98 Raul was not a striker .. he was a LM the strikers where Davor Suker and Mijatovic.. so once again you showed you didn't watch anything u claimed u watched even in 2000 Anelka was brought to be the main striker Raul was for most of his career a supporting striker or a LM till 99 when both East European strikers left and he still competed with Guti , Moro than Anelka.. so yeah your claims are again (and again ) rubbish
for a LM /LW turned SS to score 166 goals in 334 game is very impressive
but i didn't want to stop you from posting your evidence which until now is a home made youtube video.. please post what you claim there is not some slideshow done by 14 year old kid

 

[Raed]

That is what I wanted him to post. So a near 50% goal scoring record at a time where he began his career at the age of 17. Coupled with him being a LWF, and the fact that he has scored on big occasions and when it mattered the most, I say Raul got the recognition he deserved. He wasn't very much internationally acclaimed as his peers which defeats his point right from the beginning but a club legend by all means.

 

[ricknattery]

so now Raul was never a number 9, come on, dont buy what the press sells about it. Raul was a 9 for most of his career(even when he was not suppoosed to be one) Check the videos he has been a number 9 mos of his time. And there is no single season where he had an imppresive amount of golas per game.
His best year(in goals) was 2000/2001 when he scored 32 goals in 50 games(ratio of 0,64) but higuain did it better being 22 years old, but guess who was receiving all the criticism from the press???. I've already showed hom many other strikers from Madrid were better than him, from all-times.
Raul was just a regular player with 4 good years. Keep bringing arguments, you are repeating the exact same thing all the raulistas say(even though you are not one)
Check any forum of Real Madrid with spanish members. Most of them say Raul should have retired 5 years ago. The problem is it seems there are as many raulistas in Spain as the amount of madridistas who care about the club first

Just an example: http://realmadrid1902.mforos.com/1211678/9044156-el-post-de-higuain-benzema-raul-y-el-kun-parte-iii/

Raul was being bashed by madridistas(from spain), specially for staying in the club a lot longer than he should have been. Of course not many people knew about this because the press always talked good about Raul, they don't say for example that Raul has the record of more minutes without scoring in La Liga or stuff like that

 

[Beast]

Not only that.. u should check the home made slideshow videos who he based his opinion on..i went to the youtube source

slide show on youtube .. disregarding publicly KNOWN facts like Camacho left cause Perez didn't want to buy Xabi and Vieria..etc and contributed it to Raul
2 parts on how he was the reason for Owen leaving (duh )
most of the so called facts are funny like the Prisa incident which dates back to 92 before Raul was a first team member.. glad that regular fans are shredding the deluded youtube dude to pieces

all the evidence are personal opinion written on a slideshow manner .. damn that advanced Peruvian technique

so now Raul was never a number 9, come on, dont buy what the press sells about it. Raul was a 9 for most of his career(even when he was not suppoosed to be one) Check the videos he has been a number 9 mos of his time. And there is no single season where he had an imppresive amount of golas per game.
His best year(in goals) was 2000/2001 when he scored 32 goals in 50 games(ratio of 0,64) but higuain did it better being 22 years old, but guess who was receiving all the criticism from the press???. I've already showed hom many other strikers from Madrid were better than him, from all-times.
Raul was just a regular player with 4 good years. Keep bringing arguments, you are repeating the exact same thing all the raulistas say(even though you are not one)
Check any forum of Real Madrid with spanish members. Most of them say Raul should have retired 5 years ago. The problem is it seems there are as many raulistas in Spain as the amount of madridistas who care about the club first

You want to ask if Raul was a number 9 or not.. how about you go and ask older cule's for example ? ask CA or Meta .. people who did watch him in the old times not claiming they watched while they didn't ..

Raul playing as a LM and SS behind a no 9 is not something a media can temper it's the god damn facts we all saw .. have you even watched an liga /CL games in that period ? my bet and yours words indicate a big fat no
so please stop the lies to save a brave face Raul played as a pure CF after Anelka left and not before that .
he scored a lot of goals from different positions , won several league trophies , won 3 Champions league among many other trophies.. u go back to stats than Huntelaar is superior than Van Basten
I'm not a Raulista but you are truly making a complete fool out of yourself for speaking about stuff you haven't seen

 

[ricknattery]

Not only that.. u should check the home made slideshow videos who he based his opinion on..i went to the youtube source

slide show on youtube .. disregarding publicly KNOWN facts like Camacho left cause Perez didn't want to buy Xabi and Vieria..etc and contributed it to Raul
2 parts on how he was the reason for Owen leaving (duh )
most of the so called facts are funny like the Prisa incident which dates back to 92 before Raul was a first team member.. glad that regular fans are shredding the deluded youtube dude to pieces

all the evidence are personal opinion written on a slideshow manner .. damn that advanced Peruvian technique

it is made by an Spanish madridista and tell me which evidence is personal opinion?
They never state it was Raul's fault that Owen was out. Have you watched the videos????

Not only that.. u should check the home made slideshow videos who he based his opinion on..i went to the youtube source

slide show on youtube .. disregarding publicly KNOWN facts like Camacho left cause Perez didn't want to buy Xabi and Vieria..etc and contributed it to Raul
2 parts on how he was the reason for Owen leaving (duh )
most of the so called facts are funny like the Prisa incident which dates back to 92 before Raul was a first team member.. glad that regular fans are shredding the deluded youtube dude to pieces

all the evidence are personal opinion written on a slideshow manner .. damn that advanced Peruvian technique



You want to ask if Raul was a number 9 or not.. how about you go and ask older cule's for example ? ask CA or Meta .. people who did watch him in the old times not claiming they watched while they didn't ..

Raul playing as a LM and SS behind a no 9 is not something a media can temper it's the god damn facts we all saw .. have you even watched an liga /CL games in that period ? my bet and yours words indicate a big fat no
so please stop the lies to save a brave face Raul played as a pure CF after Anelka left and not before that .
he scored a lot of goals from different positions , won several league trophies , won 3 Champions league among many other trophies.. u go back to stats than Huntelaar is superior than Van Basten
I'm not a Raulista but you are truly making a complete fool out of yourself for speaking about stuff you haven't seen

He never had a good record of goals despite being a 9, a LM or SS, so it doesn't matter if I don't know everthing about Raul or Madrid, after all I follow Barcelona first.
an please check where Huntelar has played, or aginst who he has scored. Van Basten was amazing anywhere he was. And he scored important goals against decent sides for Netherlands. Huntelar has a better record just with the NT but scoring against crappy sides. so it's not the same sir

 

[Beast]

it is made by an Spanish madridista and tell me which evidence is personal opinion?
They never state it was Raul's fault that Owen was out. Have you watched the videos????

it looks like you is the one who haven't watched the video's...watch part 1 & 2.. all reference to how Owen ration per game was better and he left..etc
there is so many people who hate Raul among us but some people tell a lie and believe it .. that's the case with this guy he wants his 60 min of fame
some of the "Anti " stuff he made up are ridiculous like the ones i mentioned above.. as i said go ask any of your old cule's why "chicken " Camacho left twice .. Camacho is even very outspoken about why he left.. nothing to do with Raul ..

 

[yusuf]

0.48 goal average is amazing when playing that amount of games so i dunno why u are bashing him for that. longevity is one of the reason as to why he is a legendary player as it is not easy to stay at a high level for that long.

 

[ricknattery]

it looks like you is the one who haven't watched the video's...watch part 1 & 2.. all reference to how Owen ration per game was better and he left..etc
there is so many people who hate Raul among us but some people tell a lie and believe it .. that's the case with this guy he wants his 60 min of fame
some of the "Anti " stuff he made up are ridiculous like the ones i mentioned above.. as i said go ask any of your old cule's why "chicken " Camacho left twice .. Camacho is even very outspoken about why he left.. nothing to do with Raul ..

About Camacho: Check the video number IX. He said to Florentino that the players werent supporting him. 4 days before Raul and his teammates had a meeting without the coach. Then there is an audio where Camacho says: There are players from Madrid that you just cannot put on the bench, people get mad at you. You put another player who is in better form, he scores but that seems to make the press even more mad.(Camacho just put Raul on the bench the game before all of this incidents started). I'm not saying Raul is the reason that Camacho was out. I'm just showing his antics when he was subbed

And people is not me who is bashing him. It's everywhere on every Madrid forum with spanish people who knows how the press handle things like this. It's all over

0.48 goal average is amazing when playing that amount of games so i dunno why u are bashing him for that. longevity is one of the reason as to why he is a legendary player as it is not easy to stay at a high level for that long.

Almost every striker that has played with him has scored more than him, but still the other strikers got all the criticism and got fired. i'm not saying he is a bad player, i'm saying the media is making him look like he is a lot better than he actually is

 

[gingerless]

 

[Beast]

About Camacho: Check the video number IX. He said to Florentino that the players werent supporting him. 4 days before Raul and his teammates had a meeting without the coach. Then there is an audio where Camacho says: There are players from Madrid that you just cannot put on the bench, people get mad at you. You put another player who is in better form, he scores but that seems to make the press even more mad.(Camacho just put Raul on the bench the game before all of this incidents started). I'm not saying Raul is the reason that Camacho was out. I'm just showing his antics when he was subbed

And people is not me who is bashing him. It's everywhere on every Madrid forum with spanish people who knows how the press handle things like this. It's all over



Almost every striker that has played with him has scored more than him, but still the other strikers got all the criticism and got fired. i'm not saying he is a bad player, i'm saying the media is making him look like he is a lot better than he actually is

The Camacho part refer to Perez and the galactico policy.. it wasn't just Camacho but any manager who benched a galactico would leave.. the problem wasn't Raul who was a starter with Ronaldo the main problem was the midfield.. try to chuck in Zidane-Figo-Beckham-Guti/Solari in and have a balanced midfield .. Ronaldo was a party boy as well
Camacho is a disciplinarian and what he didn't notice or bother to notice (he seem like a small kid ) that Camacho and Raul had a great relation from the time Camacho was Spain manager and it was Raul best years with the national team as a starter in all game under Camacho .
the fact that Camacho slammed and declared PUBLICLY several times that the reason was Perez not buying DM for him also refute your claim and the dude credibility .

It's really sad if you base your opinion on a "GUY" with such lack of factoids on all RM and you are taking his words as the bible to the extent you don't want to believe what everyone here *cules and Madridista * told you that Raul started as an LM and didn't play as a clear CF till 2001 and you still refuse to believe those who actually watched in comparison to a guy with a youtube slideshow
And no i post in RMfan.org forum (the spanish one ) and i know what everyone say.. legend + excellent service + bleed for the club + extended his stay for couple of years + bad captain ..
nothing related to your Slideshow god and again i don't like Raul the captain but making up stories like this is tad too far

 

[ricknattery]

You are basically saying the same things so I'll repeat my answer: I'm not saying Camacho was out purely because of Raul. I'm just showing one example of how Raul behaved when he was subbed. His statistics didn't got better since 2001, it just gotten worst, again there is no single year where he was the incredible star that madrid media wants people to believe. And no I dont believe in that guy, i believe in the facts that he shows(conversations, audios, newspapers,...)

Oh and I just checked the thread about Raul on the forum you talked about and its the same thing, Raul dividing people, some think he is a legend, some others think he should have left the club long ago. What a Legend, when there are madridistas who bash him. Same thing as all forums

I even found this from some madridista in the forum:

Sergio86.- And you don't need to be a clairvoyant to know that Raul vetoed signings, players have already spoken of the matter and have confirmed it. There were people who left Real Madrid to make room for Raul and that has been recognized by raulistas, you must be one of the stubborn ones ...

Tell me what kind of legend is treated like that by a madridista??? I'm telling you Raul divides opinions, he is controversial even for people who support the team where he has played for ages. Same history in all madrid forums

 

[Beast]

You are comparing Raul to no 9 .. he was not a no 9 .. why is that so hard for you to comprehend ?
and if he wasn't a reason for camacho leaving why u picked it again as an example of what he did .. Camacho stayed for 22 days and left for other KNOWN REASONS WHICH EVERYONE KNOW EXCEPT YOU AND YOUR YOUTUBE BUDDY
now if you said Ramon Garcia was removed when he benched Raul (or was it Ronaldo ? ) and was removed right after the game but Camacho was not .. it's again shows a case of your friend here knowing shit all about the club , Camacho case was simple and never included Raul
what facts ? your friend write on a slideshow powerpoint..!! where is the evidence ? he mix things left and right like Camacho and Brisa.. what evidence .. jesus read more on the subject .. Sid Lowe did a great piece on Raul showing his weak points i think it's in the pundits thread not some powerpoint dude

 

[Abaddon]

Almost every striker that has played with him has scored more than him

And they also usually scored more goals playing with him than in a situation without him. You make it sound like a bad thing? He enables others.