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Mike the Knife
Mesut will be fine, I thought he handled himself with aplomb when Germany faced Spain...Showed no fear against Busquets, Puyol et al...Pressure & drama around El Clasico perhaps may have crept into the Turk's head but I wouldn't hold it against him...He wasn't really to blame
 

yusuf

Yusuf Islam
the question is where do madrid go from here??? the whole first half of the season hinged on this game and if they lost close fine, but the got embarrased and u gotta blame mourinho. he has only 1 style of tactics and that is his chelski inter style and he tried to have di maria play the eto position last year :lol: that was a flop not to mention the germans in the mid are nowhere near the capabilities of snijder, he is wrong for the kind of players madrid have soo unless they but a couple players in the transfer window can we expect anything different barring any big injuries in the 2nd matchup in madrid....wouldnt bet on it
 
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Jordzibob

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the question is where do madrid go from here??? the whole first half of the season hinged on this game and if they lost close fine, but the got embarrased and u gotta blame mourinho. he has only 1 style of tactics and that is his chelski inter style and he tried to have di maria play the eto position last year :lol: that was a flop not to mention the germans in the mid are nowhere near the capabilities of snijder, he is wrong for the kind of players madrid have soo unless they but a couple players in the transfer window can we expect anything different barring any big injuries in the 2nd matchup in madrid....wouldnt bet on it

Yeh but he didnt play in his normal style Imo. Either that or I'm wrong and the Madrid players just failed at his normal style. It didnt seem to me like they were playing as defensive as Inter or Chelsea played, this might of been because of how abysmal their defence actually played, but they played a really high line, and quite obviously we exploited this. Mourinho generally plays deep...doesnt he? Either way, depending on the League table obviously at the time, I expect a major bus parking at the Bernabeu, Mourinho wont make the same mistake of trying to "outplay" us twice. Arsenal tried to do it, Madrid tried to do it, Man Utd tried to do it. :lol: It never ends well.......
 

Beast

The Observer
Thanks Pepe :beer2:

There was several tactical mistakes last night more evidently the 3 lines were far apart ..
Looking back i though Jose plan was keeping Ozil-Di Maria-CR-Benzema upfront will pressure Barca to sit deep and pull some of the midfielders back at the same time play long passes from Xabi and co and be in a 4 on 4 situation (that's if Alves stayed at the back ) , instead it gave the required space and time for the Barca midfield to dictate the game without any hassle and he should have known that giving Barca midfield space , time and the midfield line means you are royally fucked .

There is no going from here. work more , work on the weaknesses in the team and develop a different approach (especially compacting the 3 lines ) .. Jose probably will lose sleep over this as his biggest defeat but you can only learn from your break downs .. i prefer to lose (thought not in such manner ) in a game we can recap one way or the other instead of finding ourselves with such a scoreline in the CL KO round.
Despite the result we are still a strong team but we are not there yet tactically and mentally in matching Barca game , thanks for the football lesson and i hope we can use it well especially those who were complete idiots last night
 

Fourteen

Monster Masch
Away from the result, I think it's becoming more and more obvious (not that it wasn't before, just more so) that this Barcelona team, including Pep as coach, are once in a lifetime. It's just unfortunate for Madrid that due to the nature of "El Classico", Barca will always raise their game.
 
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Jordzibob

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Mourinho will learn from this and the game at the Bernabeu will be much tougher, I expect in January he'll make the signings that he needs to bring some sortof plan together for the second Clasico....fork out a load of money for Essien or something? Having said that, I would expect that to be more defensive. I dont think you can outplay us whoever you sign, and Madrid might not be able to sit back and defend if the emphasis is on them to win the game, obviously the whole "two leg" thingy is out the window now. I dont think even if you parked the bus last night though you would of been able to stop us, we were just outstanding. It's nice to see the class being shown on here by Madrid fans though, there are alot of clubs who'd bitch about it.
 

Fourteen

Monster Masch
No one can beat us in an open game of football. There have been games where teams have got it together and preassured us intensely for short periods of time throughout the 90 minutes and made their chances count, but if you can't do that, there's no hope. Madrid will never out-right defend against us, it's not in the DNA of the club and even if they do bring in sufficient reinforcements on paper, Pep's Barca have been 3 years in the making, an instant-success story, it's not Madrid's time yet.
 

Sepuldinho

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No one can beat us in an open game of football. There have been games where teams have got it together and preassured us intensely for short periods of time throughout the 90 minutes and made their chances count, but if you can't do that, there's no hope. Madrid will never out-right defend against us, it's not in the DNA of the club and even if they do bring in sufficient reinforcements on paper, Pep's Barca have been 3 years in the making, an instant-success story, it's not Madrid's time yet.

sounds like valencia?
 

dalitis8

Banned
Mourinho will be hoping that penalties and deflections come his way. As for the 2nd Clasico, it is still too early, but it seems that they will have no other chance than parking the bus.
 
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Jordzibob

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After Carvalho's lack of pace was quite obviously exploited tonight, I could pretty easily see Madrid signing Maicon in January, and possibly dropping Ramos into a CB role. Having said that, I do like Albiol, even if he's a Madrid player, I wish they'd play him just to improve him for Spain.
 

Beast

The Observer
I think cutting down the space and gap in our midfield-attacking mid-forward could have done the trick same way Pellegrini pulled in the first classico .
it's a tactical mistake from Jose but you could easily see all night that the center midfield line had no RM players they are all behind your midfield near the defense while the remaining 6 players are waiting in our own half with the exception of Marcelo who kept going forward trying to attack .
and probably the first time RM second half is a lot worse than the first half .. totally outplayed by Pep

as i said Jose will learn from his mistakes , a battle lose but war is not lost
 
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Jordzibob

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Yeh I expected Madrid to come out alot stronger in the second half, possibly grab a consolation goal by Benzema ;), but they just capitulated. One wonders what Mourinho actually said at half time. We were outnumbering you in midfield in the first half, Xavi Iniesta Busquets vs Alonso Khedira, so Mourinho brings on Diarra-Messi starts playing much deeper to make it 4 vs 3, genius. Sheer difference between Messi and Ronaldo highlighted last night, if Messi had gone and scored a hatrick then fair enough but for him to be able to move into the centre and start controlling the game like that was brilliant, completely new dimension to his game that Ronaldo just hasnt got.

And yep, long season still to go.
 

Beast

The Observer
Phil Ball analysis

No contest in clasico


By Phil Ball



No contest. Those are the only two words that can sum up the clasico, a disappointing occasion if you'd been expecting an evenly-fought slug-out, a euphoric one if you'd been hoping that Barcelona could re-stamp their authority on the Spanish scene, after their rivals' previously unbeaten start to the season. Whatever, the least one expected was a manita (little hand), the phrase reserved for games that end in a 5-0 scoreline. In some ways, they're worse than a 6-0 result, because the latter has no nickname, no bruising synonym created to humiliate.


In many ways, I cannot recall a more hyped clasico than this one. The main message, and it was an accurate one, was that the game was unusual in featuring both sides at the height of their powers. The bipolar relationship that frames these two teams, whereby one dances in the light whilst the other, almost by default, lurks wounded in the shadows, was wholly absent this time around.

Real Madrid had recovered their self-esteem to such an extent that they fancied their chances in the Camp Nou, and the media battle that ensued - each camp attempting to win some small psychological advantage, was fascinating throughout the week. However, Mourinho maybe overdid the 'If we lose, tomorrow is still Tuesday' line, and in so doing revealed a secret fear, a get-out clause that would relieve him from pressure in the event of a defeat. What he didn't expect was a thrashing.

The game had just about everything, apart from tension as to the result. At 2-0 Madrid played some decent stuff for a 15-minute spell, but failed to pull back the psychological goal before the interval. The alleged foul by Victor Valdes on Ronaldo looked innocent enough to me, but the Madrid-based media are already rolling out their murmured complaints. Madrid would have been back in the game, blah blah. I don't think so. In general terms, Barcelona murdered them with an imperious display of electric one-touch football, where the player receiving the ball always had at least two options - the basic lore of tiki-taka. Madrid lost their shape for much of the game, because they were reduced to chasing shadows and because their own passing was relatively poor. Xabi Alonso was never in the game, Ronaldo was back to his unilateral self - the poorer player who often turns up in adverse circumstances, and who then tries to do it all alone, and Karim Benzema simply disappeared after a reasonably bright start.

Sergio Ramos had a nightmare, and finished off the evening's work by racking up a tetchy and testosterone-filled hacking of Messi, plus a shove on his Spain team-mate Carles Puyol that wouldn't have disgraced wrestling in Pressing Catch. Like a good cricketer who knows he's on his way to the pavilion, Ramos was walking before referee Iturralde Gonzales even brought out the red card. You got the impression that Ramos just wanted to get off the pitch.

And there was even a shove by Ronaldo on Pep Guardiola, in an amusing incident where Barcelona's manager appeared not to give the Portuguese pouter the ball back. Cue strutting and semi-fisticuffs, as Pep's soldiers came to the aid of their General, perhaps forgetting that he had spent several years looking after himself perfectly well on the football pitch. Nevertheless, it's a picture that will be in all the papers.

Xavi's early goal, brilliantly executed, caused Madrid an unexpected problem. Given that Mourinho would have wanted to get to the interval at 0-0, to then try to go for the game in the second half, the 'Inter' tactic that Guardiola had referred to in the press conference before the game was already in ruins. Madrid came out of their shell and tried to redress the balance immediately, only to fall to a sloppy goal eight minutes later, at the hands of Pedro. Both Ramos and Casillas will prefer not to watch the replays.


In the second half, some of the hosts' football was astonishing. Madrid simply couldn't cope. Pepe was all over the place, Ramos was leaving huge spaces on the right flank - although to be fair to him, Di Maria was not helping - and Khedira seemed to undergo some sort of paralysis, like a startled rabbit in the headlights of a speeding car. After 56 minutes it was all over bar the home fans' shouting, some of which included the chant Mourinho dimisión! (Mourinho resign!) which was quite witty in the circumstances. The Special One sat motionless on the bench, his poker face revealing no emotion. He was probably beginning to plot the revenge at the Bernabeu. This was, in fact, the heaviest defeat of his managerial career.

The game will deal a temporary psychological blow to Madrid, but the consequences of the game are far from clear. They may motivate Madrid even more. They were played off the park, but they have not become a poor side overnight. They lost their shape and their discipline, unusual for a Mourinho side, and everything went wrong for them.

At times in the second half Barcelona were playing football from some other space-time continuum. Brutal in its apparent simplicity but based on infallible technique, they hardly played a long ball all match. Madrid had not expected to be playing a five-a-side game, and simply fell into the trap of ball-watching. Both of David Villa's goals came from Madrid's tendency to watch the man with the ball (Messi) and not the diagonal runs into space.

Barcelona also decided on a higher line than usual, and pushed Xavi up to almost man-mark Xabi Alonso. It was a curious sight, but every time Alonso received the ball, he found himself surrounded by a hostile bunch of Blaugranas, each one snapping at his heels and clouding his horizon. The home side's pressure, when off the ball, was such that Madrid's players seemed isolated from one another, their rhythms broken by the absence of the normally metronomic Alonso. There was no connection between the midfield and the forward line. Ozil seemed fragile and stranded, and Di Maria seemed unsure of what to do. Without the speed of Higuain to threaten Barcelona's high-line policy (Benzema prefers the ball into feet), the home midfield was spared the problem of shielding its own defence, and occupied itself by suffocating Alonso's crucial influence.

Even Iker Casillas looked human. The last few games against Barcelona have left him looking desperate, as if his life were almost perfect (beautiful girlfriend, international acclaim, World Cup win, etc) but for the two occasions on which he has to be humiliated per season. But it would be wrong to get carried away with this result. There is a long way to go yet, and Madrid are a more resilient outfit this time around. Barcelona were astonishingly good - even young Jeffren joined the party late on, and scored - but the win was too easy. It's not a real reflection of the difference between the two sides. Don't expect La Liga to suddenly become a one-horse race.



At the top of the 'other league', Villarreal destroyed poor Zaragoza 3-0 at the latter's home, and condemned them to another week at the bottom. Valencia ruined Jose Luis Oltra's first game as manager of Almeria (2-1) and kept the Mestalla side in the Europa spots, a point behind the surprising Espanyol, whose bad-tempered 3-2 win at Atletico Madrid lifts them into fourth place, nine points behind their illustrious Catalan neighbours. Sevilla, once again, flattered to deceive, and went down at home to an inspired Getafe, 1-3.

Madrid will be looking to pick up the pieces with a tricky-looking game at home to Valencia on Saturday night, and Barcelona travel up to Osasuna, as yet undefeated at home. All to play for still, despite appearances to the contrary.
 
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