Real Madrid (old thread)

[FCBarca]

the "respectul" bernabeu crowd did the same to Dani and you didn't see him assaulting anybody, did ya?
that was a pathetic attempt to justify the reckless tackle

Gio & Raed are incapable of being critical of their club - myopia and all...Even Pippo has mentioned that there were a lot of tourists at the match due to the holiday...No one is excusing racist chants but in typical madridista fashion, short term memory for them is 3 days

 

[XaviFCB]

Spin cycle is in full effect in the capital city, I'm sure...Soon we'll hear that Tito simply had a bug in his eye and Mou was merely trying to help him get it out

golden

 

[ricknattery]

Exactly. Dani had o endure some if the worst monkey chanting ever after the Bernabeu CL semi, people really have short memories.

they did it again last Sunday

 

[Beast]

I know exactly what my quotes were during the match. they were, "RMadrid are pressing extremely well" ... and they were. but you also missed my other quotes, "FCB have no off ball movement" which led to my other comment "FCB are clearly not match fit". it was obvious from the way that Xavi and Sergio weren't running around a lot. it was obvious from the lack-lustre pressing that FCB employed which meant that FCB wasn't playing the style of game they usually play. I don't know what you're getting at. These are all points that re-inforce my point that FCB was not match fit/match ready. There were a few moments when the passing was there, and when Cesc came on (and I can't believe I'm about to type this) the passing game went up a notch. the energy level rose. and then FCB created a goal and a few chances/half-chances (most notably Iker's save on Leo at 3-2). In fact, you could say FCB's best moments in the match was right after Cesc came on (sigh).

as for El Capitan:

let's recount the matches since Pep has been manager, shall we? (all stats derived from ESPN Soccernet)
2008/2009
2-0: El Capitan played all 90 minutes, RMadrid scored 0 goals
2-6: El Capitan played all 90 minutes, RMadrid scored 2 goals
2009/2010
1-0: El Capitan played all 90 minutes, RMadrid scored 0 goals
0-2: El Capitan played all 90 minutes, RMadrid scored 0 goals
2010/2011
5-0: El Capitan played all 90 minutes, RMadrid scored 0 goals
1-1: El Capitan played 58minutes, RMadrid scored 1 goal in the 83rd minute
1-0: El Capitan played 0 minutes, RMadrid scores 1 goal and wins the CDR
0-2: El Capitan played all 90 minutes, RMadrid scored 0 goals
1-1: El Capitan played all 90 minutes, RMadrid scored 1 goal
2011/2012
2-2: El Capitan played 0 minutes, RMadrid scored 2 goals
3-2: El Capitan played 0 miuntes, RMadrid scored 2 goals

so let's re-cap shall we. FCB has played Madrid 11 times since Pep got here. Record is FCB 7 wins, Madrid 1 win, 3 draws (including victory in the CL and FCB's first victory over RMadrid in the Spanish Super Copa ... teehee). When El Captian plays all 90minutes our record is FCB 6 wins, RMadrid 0 wins, 1 draw. In those 7 games, FCB has conceded 3 goals. 2 in the 2-6 demolition, and 1 in the CL Semi-Final where the tie was already decided when Pedro scored to make it 3-0 aggregate (for reference of Pedro's goal, simply ask and I will post my video of the Nou Camp going nuts post-goal). In the 3 games without El Capitan, FCB has 1 win, Madrid has 1 win, and 1 draw. 5 goals allowed. in the match where El Capitan was subbed off last spring, it was 0-1 FCB. then we conceded a late equaliser.

men lie.
women lie.
trending numbers with a large enough sample size don't.

They actually do lie Irv my man.. cause it put down the records only in math fashion..
you have so many variables that change the outcome.. different managers (-Juande Ramos-Pellegrini - Jose with defensive approach/open approach/pressure approach )
players (Juande Ramos team is different than Jose , different than Pellegrini ) .. for example from last night game the only players who played Barca under Pellegrini was CR-Ramos-Iker-Pepe-Xabi (that's 5 players )
Ozil,Coentrao,Khedira ,Ricardo and Di Maria are all new , Benzema didn't start at all
that's more than half the team .. both Kaka and Marcelo came as subs last night same for Higuain
You have the stability factor.. the more the player play in the system and under the manager improves and his movement and duties become automatic.. Barca have that.. Real it's just the beginning of the second season of Jose one of the rare occasions that a Madrid manager have this chance (since Del Bosque only Schuster survived a year and 4 month)
so which of the above is mentioned in your stats ? None
What i wrote makes a difference ? hell yes.. if coming late in pre-season affects the players changing the manager and tactics do the same
Real haven't played Barca in all those game like the last 2 games.. it's a different approach and with or without Puyol it wouldn't make a huge difference .. the same point we argued after the first leg and it's not like you dominated last night with your main starters and let's not make it a big deal out of M&M's.. as much as i respect Puyol and he is very good player you had all the players available plus CESC.. Puyol is not a valid excuse there

 

[Xavi_78]

The blog where this Villa rumour came from has now said that it was all false, but nice to see how fast the madridistas were jumping on Villas throat. They will say everything to bring our club down. This was Sergio all over, spread some stupid rumours and trust that there are enough people enough to believe it.

There have also shown new video footage and pictures where you can see Mou kicking Cesc while he is on the floor, but you know nothing surprises me any more from this despicable person

 

[IrvDizzle]

They actually do lie Irv my man.. cause it put down the records only in math fashion..
you have so many variables that change the outcome.. different managers (-Juande Ramos-Pellegrini - Jose with defensive approach/open approach/pressure approach )
players (Juande Ramos team is different than Jose , different than Pellegrini ) .. for example from last night game the only players who played Barca under Pellegrini was CR-Ramos-Iker-Pepe-Xabi (that's 5 players )
Ozil,Coentrao,Khedira ,Ricardo and Di Maria are all new , Benzema didn't start at all
that's more than half the team .. both Kaka and Marcelo came as subs last night same for Higuain
You have the stability factor.. the more the player play in the system and under the manager improves and his movement and duties become automatic.. Barca have that.. Real it's just the beginning of the second season of Jose one of the rare occasions that a Madrid manager have this chance (since Del Bosque only Schuster survived a year and 4 month)
so which of the above is mentioned in your stats ? None
What i wrote makes a difference ? hell yes.. if coming late in pre-season affects the players changing the manager and tactics do the same
Real haven't played Barca in all those game like the last 2 games.. it's a different approach and with or without Puyol it wouldn't make a huge difference .. the same point we argued after the first leg and it's not like you dominated last night with your main starters and let's not make it a big deal out of M&M's.. as much as i respect Puyol and he is very good player you had all the players available plus CESC.. Puyol is not a valid excuse there

ok here's what we're going to do ... we're going to revist this topic after the 1st clasico in December. because it seems I've managed to wake up intelligent-Gio and depose of "ZengaZenga-Gio". you've listed valid points, Pelligrini v Mou, Manita v post-Manita, continuity vs non-continuity, non-UFC approach v UFC approach. because honestly, while I was impressed with Real's pressure, I equate their success down to Barca's lack of match fitness and their approach, rather than just their approach (and by approach I mean their pressing and dedication to ensure that the short ball could not be played effectively, rather than their UFC approach). I saw many times where FCB wouldn't press fully to get the ball back, or make runs to move the pressers. By the latter point I mean that when pressing the RMadrid players never had to alter their angle of attack because the FCB players did not move. Xavi passes and then moves. Iniesta passes and then moves. Busquets passes and then moves. That was probably on display for about 20% of the match. The rest of the time it was, "pass and stand still". That has nothing to do with pressure, that has to do with lack of energy. Nowhere more was this evident when Cesc came on. The team got energized and created three chances in a matter of minutes, one of which lodged itself firmly in the back of the net. As soon as Leo made it 2-1, FCB went in to cruise control. It's so obvious it's frustrating. But that's what they did. When Benzema equalised, Cesc came on, boom, different team.

but I am not conceding my two main points:

1. FCB with El Capitan at the back is a much more defensively sound team that does not give up 4 goals in 2 games. even to Madrid.
and
2. FCB with proper match fitness and fully integrated team-members would still be able to impose their will on Madrid irrespective of their pressing/UFC tactics, thus limiting chances and tiring Madrid out more.

but you've gotta stop with the wind-up BS. you're so much more intelligent than that.

 

[Beast]

ok here's what we're going to do ... we're going to revist this topic after the 1st clasico in December. because it seems I've managed to wake up intelligent-Gio and depose of "ZengaZenga-Gio". you've listed valid points, Pelligrini v Mou, Manita v post-Manita, continuity vs non-continuity, non-UFC approach v UFC approach. because honestly, while I was impressed with Real's pressure, I equate their success down to Barca's lack of match fitness and their approach, rather than just their approach (and by approach I mean their pressing and dedication to ensure that the short ball could not be played effectively, rather than their UFC approach). I saw many times where FCB wouldn't press fully to get the ball back, or make runs to move the pressers. By the latter point I mean that when pressing the RMadrid players never had to alter their angle of attack because the FCB players did not move. Xavi passes and then moves. Iniesta passes and then moves. Busquets passes and then moves. That was probably on display for about 20% of the match. The rest of the time it was, "pass and stand still". That has nothing to do with pressure, that has to do with lack of energy. Nowhere more was this evident when Cesc came on. The team got energized and created three chances in a matter of minutes, one of which lodged itself firmly in the back of the net. As soon as Leo made it 2-1, FCB went in to cruise control. It's so obvious it's frustrating. But that's what they did. When Benzema equalised, Cesc came on, boom, different team.

but I am not conceding my two main points:

1. FCB with El Capitan at the back is a much more defensively sound team that does not give up 4 goals in 2 games. even to Madrid.
and
2. FCB with proper match fitness and fully integrated team-members would still be able to impose their will on Madrid irrespective of their pressing/UFC tactics, thus limiting chances and tiring Madrid out more.

but you've gotta stop with the wind-up BS. you're so much more intelligent than that.

You know the funny thing about this "wind up" is i wasn't actually winding up anyone (come on u know me better than many people here ) .. people got worked out quickly.. maybe it has to do with Madridista (except Wolfe ) stopped posting regularly ..people started to think different opinion is a wind up even when we mainly post in our topic ..
You know what wind up is Irv it's a forum tease... and if i wanted to tease you lot there is plenty of more efficient ways none of them would include praising the game from both teams... more like "where is the great Barca now ? had to win in the last 5 min through a Messi moment blah blah blah" .. the forum members are now sounding more like a school student in"Nineteen eighty four ".. we partly blame but the level of intelligence is below old time levels and the lack of old members like Maz,Gj and the rest vs the X's and Y's(u know yourselves ) who post here and in your topics .. for fuck sake even our old man Meta chose to post here not in Barca topic
The deal is on.. yes Puyol is amazing but he won't make much difference.. our judgement is the next 2 clasico games (or more like last year - not a far fetched scenario our teams are the best in Europe by a country mile ) , great teams don't stop on one missing player and your team is great no doubt
so don't concede your POV .. let's revise it after the several classico's this season (draw permitting )

 

[FCBarca]

Love the ava, Gio

 

[Barcaman]

There's hardly anything that controversial. Most of the news sites and fans outside Spain are in agreement that Madrid players went too far in dirty tackles and that they are getting away with too much.
And then you have Mou who sticks a finger in Tito's eye and then insults him and Barca in his post-match. Classy guy.

 

[House of Flies]

You know the funny thing about this "wind up" is i wasn't actually winding up anyone (come on u know me better than many people here ) .. people got worked out quickly.. maybe it has to do with Madridista (except Wolfe ) stopped posting regularly ..people started to think different opinion is a wind up even when we mainly post in our topic ..
You know what wind up is Irv it's a forum tease... and if i wanted to tease you lot there is plenty of more efficient ways none of them would include praising the game from both teams... more like "where is the great Barca now ? had to win in the last 5 min through a Messi moment blah blah blah" .. the forum members are now sounding more like a school student in"Nineteen eighty four ".. we partly blame but the level of intelligence is below old time levels and the lack of old members like Maz,Gj and the rest vs the X's and Y's(u know yourselves ) who post here and in your topics .. for fuck sake even our old man Meta chose to post here not in Barca topic
The deal is on.. yes Puyol is amazing but he won't make much difference.. our judgement is the next 2 clasico games (or more like last year - not a far fetched scenario our teams are the best in Europe by a country mile ) , great teams don't stop on one missing player and your team is great no doubt
so don't concede your POV .. let's revise it after the several classico's this season (draw permitting )

I am going to steal your avatar, gio

 

[House of Flies]

k, i need to get a larger version of it. give it to me gio, please!

 

[Beast]

There's hardly anything that controversial. Most of the news sites and fans outside Spain are in agreement that Madrid players went too far in dirty tackles and that they are getting away with too much.
And then you have Mou who sticks a finger in Tito's eye and then insults him and Barca in his post-match. Classy guy.

No disagreement here Bojan , the last 5 min skirmish tainted what was an amazing two leg affair with 9 goals ..even Madrid press are not happy about it
still football wise the game was really good if you erase those 5 min and Marcelo chants

Love the ava, Gio

Thanks Michael ... the man is one of the highlights of last night game

I am going to steal your avatar, gio

Thief

 

[House of Flies]

I wouldnt use it here. Cammaaan. Camaaaaan

 

[Beast]

it's his facebook fans page.. you can also find it on AS

 

[House of Flies]

Link me. What am I looking for?

Jesus. I have never wanted something so bad.