Real Madrid (old thread)

[La Furia]

Funny how all the Madridistas are crawling out of the woodwork like a pest infestation now.

 

[20Campeon04]

Funny how all the Madridistas are crawling out of the woodwork like a pest infestation now.

Funny that i posted NOTHING after the Clásico and the Champions League Match against Chelsea!

 

[Nándor]

Hi guys...

Hi, can we just scrap the last 10 pages of suggestions who may leave (Kak, Hig, lass, arbs, alb, ect ect) and lose Khedira. The guy is busting my balls. I can’t face watching him for us for must longer.

I couldn't agree more!!! The only thing more painfull is to see him score the 108th goal against Barca!!! It sort of hurts really bad, but still, you're "happy" for the goal.

As for this summers transfer signings...i think the club should focus on the midfield badly!!! The midfield needs a fixing for like 10 years now...IMO opinion it's a very big mistake to think that one player only can fix this problem, as it has been handled for several years now.
Changing midfield tactics is also a big issue IMO.

i hope this season Mourinho (if he stays) will sign smarter then last summer. The team basically lived and survived because of the signings that have been made 2-3 years before.

The signings i personnaly would do depend on who leaves and on the necessaties of the team. The necessaties IMO clearly are a RB, at least 1 CM, 1 playmaker, 1 winger to cover Di Marías injuries/form dips/competition & maybe a GK in order to give San Iker some compatition. And if Higuaín really leaves, which i'm convinced of, a striker to replace him. I do have certain "wishes & hopes" of course, but i'll keep them to myself for now. I'm quite curious to see who will join...regarding the usual suspects, i hardly see anyone of those seriously joining Madrid:

- Agüero: just moved to City and if papers is to be believed, he stated in an interview that he is not interested in signing for Madrid.
- Javi Martínez: 40m € buyout + taxes = some 61m € = not a chance he'll join.
- Lucas Moura: Sao Paolo rated him at 50m € = certainly not.
- Hazard: same as Lucas & Javi Martínez...too expensive and above that, Hazard himself said couple of months ago he wants a move to the EPL.

That in mind and the EC too...i think it's gonna be a very long summer. Greetings

 

[Raed]

Nandor, how I missed your speculative posts!!! I especially missed the heart attacks you always gave me

We really need to establish a system at Real Madrid that any player should fit in, because my worry is that Xabi is joining Kaka at the morgue soon. Now Khedira will stay and I have no idea what to think of that because he pisses me off so much. Di Maria sometimes gets into that zone too, but he has way too much quality for me to hate on him. I give Khedira so much shit, and all deservedly, but he does work hard which is the annoying bit. Because he works hard he earns his place, it fits into Madridismo philosophy but holy shit is he limited.

If Perez had dinner with Lucas' parents, then I am going to start dancing. He might be expensive but the kid is the real deal, someone we might need in place of Kaka and would have us play better football than just playing Billiardo football.

 

[Nándor]

Nandor, how I missed your speculative posts!!! I especially missed the heart attacks you always gave me

We really need to establish a system at Real Madrid that any player should fit in, because my worry is that Xabi is joining Kaka at the morgue soon. Now Khedira will stay and I have no idea what to think of that because he pisses me off so much. Di Maria sometimes gets into that zone too, but he has way too much quality for me to hate on him. I give Khedira so much shit, and all deservedly, but he does work hard which is the annoying bit. Because he works hard he earns his place, it fits into Madridismo philosophy but holy shit is he limited.

If Perez had dinner with Lucas' parents, then I am going to start dancing. He might be expensive but the kid is the real deal, someone we might need in place of Kaka and would have us play better football than just playing Billiardo football.

Explain the heart attacks a bit more precisely please ...

Well, with regards to football, especially during summer, i love to speculate and try to imagine the "what if-scenario"...i mean, what else can you do during summer with regards to football???

However, it wasn't my intend to speculate with this post. The names i posted are the usual suspects linked with Madrid...i just gave my opinion on how likely their respective signing is IMO.

I seriously dislike Khedira...when he was signed, it was said that he had a great WC. Well i disagreed that he had and that he is of Real Madrid quality and i still do. IMO (and not mine only), Khedira took advantage of the world class performances of Schweinsteiger in the WC, making him appear a better player than he actually is. During the two seasons he now is at Madrid, i still don't consider him good enough to play for Madrid...ffs, Madrid got DOMINATED during both legs by Luis Gustavo, Kroos & a Schweinsteiger who just came back from injury and was still not a 100% fitness!!! Mourinho had to bring Granero in order to slow Bayern's attacks down A LITTLE and gain possetion of the ball a little!!! IMO Khedira is not playing because he deserve it, but because of a) lack of alternatives and b) Mourinhos taste in putting a more/only defensive minded partner next to Xabi Alonso. If Granero was better at the defense, he'd start ahead of Khedira...every single game both Granero & Xabi Alonso started, Madrid scored at least 3 goals. But as it is, with Granero not up to the task defensivly, you can only play like that against "weak" teams that don't attack much. Against Bayern, the outcome would have been worse. That's a big reason why IMO Madrid is still only mediocrity with regards to the CL...the records broken in La Liga and the 2 Semi Finals are IMO just blinding. They still struggle heavyly against big teams or strong opponents...as seen in La Liga and CL against Barca or Bayern. Both Semi Finals were basically the first big test/team they had to face and they lost. You just can't and mustn't win the CL by only beating clubs like NIKOSIA, CSKA and alike during the knock out stage!!!
Don't get me wrong...improvemtens are there, but they still lack a lot until they see eye to eye with those currently being strong in the CL.

I fully agree with the system!!! I really don't understand why not even Mourinho is installing a system in the midfield or at all...i'm getting tired of seeing the only taktical approach being a pass to Di María or Cristiano, let them run like the devil is chasing them and then let's wait and see what happens. That just doesn't work against clubs like Barca, Bayern etc...it really disappointed me to see Di María & Cristiano constantly being stopped by Lahm or Alaba. A multi million € squad, one of the most expensive ones at all, plus the self claimed best coach in the world cause he knows no one that's better than him and THAT is all the creativity they have to offer???!!!
I think they got punked and blinded by having it way to easy in La Liga against all those Huelvas, Gijones and the other cannon fodder clubs!!!
Back to the system...IMO the trio of Khedira, Xabi Alonso & Özil is failing in terms of creativity from the midfield. Only Xabi Alonso is up to the task...Khedira just has nothing to offer apart from defensive skills and Özil is not working enough with them, not concting enough and also not fit enough to do so a whole game or 2 games in a row. If you wonder what i mean...have a look at the workrate of Kroos and the "together" of Gustavo, Schweinsteiger & Kroos. Damn those three were all over the midfield and created a shit load of chances for Gomez, themselfs or the 2 wingers (Ribéry & Robben), leaving Madrid not even a chance to get the ball out of their own half at times!!!

As for Lucas...well, this is all provided what's in the papers is true!!! So, could be shit all over, but, i read both the dinner "news" and the "news", that Sao Paolo rate him and ask for 50m €. Which i think is way to much for a kid who likely has to play 2 seasons before he adopted to Europe. Moreover, baring in mind what i said about the system...i don't claim to be an expert on this player, but whenever i saw something from the kid, first thing i noticed is, that he is running with the ball a lot, thus not what i think is the best choice for the playmaker role (that is, if reports are true and Madrid want him as playmaker!!! If he's to join as winger, fine with the running). I would prefer a playmaker who organizes more and connects more with the 2 CMs, as said above.

 

[estranged]

I always wondered from day one why Jose bought Khedira, IMO he was never good enough for a club like RM. I mean what does he do? He provides some defensive cover yes but nothing that can't be taken care of by Alonso, he has absolutely no creativity and his footballing IQ is really low, he doesn't even have good vision. He's just a big physical presence that Mou seems to get a false sense of security out of. For a team like Real playing with Khedira in your team is like playing with 10 players.

 

[Yugi]

Khedira is Mourinho type of player
not that good, working hard, can play dirty if needed but always tries to hide it etc
perfect match, he also scored vs Barca at Camp Nou so I really doubt he will be gone this summer

 

[Maria]

My only hope is that RM won't buy Javi Martinez..and concerning Khedira, I think that he is a good player and if I would be a madridista I would be more worried about Xabi. He is struggling since December and Mou should have started Sahin more, especially when we were at 10 pts. I don't understand why Mou doesn't like him(when he's the one that bought him actually), but I can't say that I feel sorry for Sahin after the manner in which he left BVB.

 

[AnfieldEd]

Bilbao don't deal with Madrid so I doubt Martinez will go there. Anyway I want Javi Martinez to return to defensive/central midfield next season because that is where he has the ability to be truly world class at.

 

[BarcaOG]

i too dont think khedira cuts it at madrid.

so please keep him

 

[Reasonus]

i too dont think khedira cuts it at madrid.

so please keep him

This. He's kind of like Madrid's Keita. Keita is better aerially though. (He's been Pep's "moral compass", and that can't be bad.)

And if Di Maria had a bigger head, he would have been 10 times more dangerous. He's one of the best technical players in the league, but his decision making is average at best. Despite a rather lengthy injury, he has a good number of assists. I thought he would become a better team player in Madrid over time, but he's remained nearly the same.

His diving skills are world class though.

 

[gingerless]

if di maria had a bigger head he would be 10 times uglier, there's no place in football for that

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Hi guys...



I couldn't agree more!!! The only thing more painfull is to see him score the 108th goal against Barca!!! It sort of hurts really bad, but still, you're "happy" for the goal.

As for this summers transfer signings...i think the club should focus on the midfield badly!!! The midfield needs a fixing for like 10 years now...IMO opinion it's a very big mistake to think that one player only can fix this problem, as it has been handled for several years now.
Changing midfield tactics is also a big issue IMO.

i hope this season Mourinho (if he stays) will sign smarter then last summer. The team basically lived and survived because of the signings that have been made 2-3 years before.

The signings i personnaly would do depend on who leaves and on the necessaties of the team. The necessaties IMO clearly are a RB, at least 1 CM, 1 playmaker, 1 winger to cover Di Marías injuries/form dips/competition & maybe a GK in order to give San Iker some compatition. And if Higuaín really leaves, which i'm convinced of, a striker to replace him. I do have certain "wishes & hopes" of course, but i'll keep them to myself for now. I'm quite curious to see who will join...regarding the usual suspects, i hardly see anyone of those seriously joining Madrid:

- Agüero: just moved to City and if papers is to be believed, he stated in an interview that he is not interested in signing for Madrid.
- Javi Martínez: 40m € buyout + taxes = some 61m € = not a chance he'll join.
- Lucas Moura: Sao Paolo rated him at 50m € = certainly not.
- Hazard: same as Lucas & Javi Martínez...too expensive and above that, Hazard himself said couple of months ago he wants a move to the EPL.

That in mind and the EC too...i think it's gonna be a very long summer. Greetings

I don't buy your frugal tone one bit.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

I have to point out that Ozil shouldn't be expected to work backwards and somehow connect with two bruisers when he has to shoulder the offensive burden, creativity and connecting with Di Maria and Cristiano up front. He has enough to worry about. I highly doubt Xabi is focused on anything but destroying these days anyway. Xabi doesn't run on creativity like that anymore. Therefore, it's a moot point to Ozil not working well with them. I really think RM have evolved past believing in Xabi tbh. He has turned into a work horse destroyer and he himself doesn't seem to have faith in anything Mourinho tells him as well. Ozil is what you guys should work around, he is the one providing the goods, even though he is a chicken hearted piece of shit most of the time. On form, he is like Iniesta in that he can't be stopped. Xabi has more soul than Khedira, certainly more capabilities, but that certainly doesn't mean his own flaws have suddenly disappeared and the RM midfield should be waiting to one day be built around him. That day has come and gone.

 

[Nándor]

I don't buy your frugal tone one bit.

Come again??? You really believe Real will splash out some 61m € for Javi Martínez, some 45-50m € for Lucas & some 40-50m € for Hazard??? Seriously???

I don't buy this going to happen...personally, i think the most likely scenario is, that Mourinho will buy like he did last summer...low profile, on the cheap and maybe with some future. So i expect several more Altintops or Carvalhos joining...going by the names of Drogba, Adebayor to name some

I have to point out that Ozil shouldn't be expected to work backwards and somehow connect with two bruisers when he has to shoulder the offensive burden, creativity and connecting with Di Maria and Cristiano up front. He has enough to worry about. I highly doubt Xabi is focused on anything but destroying these days anyway. Xabi doesn't run on creativity like that anymore. Therefore, it's a moot point to Ozil not working well with them. I really think RM have evolved past believing in Xabi tbh. He has turned into a work horse destroyer and he himself doesn't seem to have faith in anything Mourinho tells him as well. Ozil is what you guys should work around, he is the one providing the goods, even though he is a chicken hearted piece of shit most of the time. On form, he is like Iniesta in that he can't be stopped. Xabi has more soul than Khedira, certainly more capabilities, but that certainly doesn't mean his own flaws have suddenly disappeared and the RM midfield should be waiting to one day be built around him. That day has come and gone.

IMO, it should not be building around 1 player only!!! That player doesn't perform or is injured, you're whole system goes down the toilett. I think it should be more like building a connection between several players and work on having more alternatives than lust letting Di María & Cristiano run down the wings or hope on Özil not disappearing and a nice pass of him.