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Madrid transfer policies are always based on FM though...
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Nándor
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i share those sentiments towards sneijder, but robben??? nah...maybe van gaal can "disciplin his selfishness out". if that happens and robben plays more for the team than for his one and only move, he'll be one of the best if not the best left wing in the world without a doubt. but so far, his ego and his injuries are standing in his way to be that player.
against ribéry now??? one more doesn't matter that much now does it??? remember i doubted from the beginning that there will only be 4-5 new players. we clearly see some fifa/FM similarities in all this. but IMO, it's clear that they want imminent impact on the marketing level and sporting success for the future. signing this much players and a coach like pellegrini, plus valdanos interview clearly indicate that this shall be a team for the future rather than one that can win or function to perfection in the very first season.
i trust valdanos judgement. let's not forget that this madrid side with all it's talented dutchies ended up in the second group of the CL draw for the first time in the club history. sometimes starting at cero is the best thing to do.
against ribéry now??? one more doesn't matter that much now does it??? remember i doubted from the beginning that there will only be 4-5 new players. we clearly see some fifa/FM similarities in all this. but IMO, it's clear that they want imminent impact on the marketing level and sporting success for the future. signing this much players and a coach like pellegrini, plus valdanos interview clearly indicate that this shall be a team for the future rather than one that can win or function to perfection in the very first season.
i trust valdanos judgement. let's not forget that this madrid side with all it's talented dutchies ended up in the second group of the CL draw for the first time in the club history. sometimes starting at cero is the best thing to do.
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2 very good indeed. Imagining CR on the right and robben on the left is frightening. But they both are two very selfish player. Putting both of them on the pitch would make raul, rvn, benzema, or gonzalo useless, cause they all would expect watch them dribble and shoot, dribble and shoot, over and over again.
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lets face it CR is better than Robben..that's for sure..
the problem is we had to buy CR not for anything but if we didn't buy him we would have paid Man United 30 Million Euro for breaking the pre-agreement Calderon signed..
so any replacement for Cristiano would cost us his value + 30 Million penalty for United..
it doesn't add up for any club
Nándor
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with all honesty, who wouldn't have signed selling sneijder, huntelaar & robben in exchange for kaká, cristiano, xabi alonso, benzema, granero & ribéry (either now or 2010) at the end of last season???!!!
the only exchange that makes me hesitate is benzema/huntelaar. but then again, selling huntelaar means trusting higuain more (i like that) and making room for negredos come back in 2010. so, that kinda does it for me.
the only exchange that makes me hesitate is benzema/huntelaar. but then again, selling huntelaar means trusting higuain more (i like that) and making room for negredos come back in 2010. so, that kinda does it for me.
John Antonio Bilboa
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Quite true, though Robben Sneijder and Huntelaar brought different qualities to Real that were needed at times.
In selling them that means more pressure and Responsibility will be on the shoulders of the likes of Kaka, Ronaldo and Higuain.
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Beast
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Xabi Alonso is key to imposing style that lets Real Madrid stars shine
Sid Lowe
Forget Kaká and Ronaldo – it is the former Liverpool midfielder who will dictate Real Madrid's play this season
If you asked Real Madrid fans to pinpoint when they believed their season might actually turn out to be a success, many would choose the same moment Liverpool fans first thought theirs might not. Two months after Kaká had joined the club, a month after 80,000 fans had packed into the Bernabéu for Cristiano Ronaldo's presentation, Madrid finally met Rafael Benítez's £30m asking price for Xabi Alonso. It was 5 August and, having soared above £250m, Madrid's spending was over at last. They had the team they wanted. Tomorrow night that team has a first opportunity to prove themselves in La Liga against Deportivo La Coruña.
The new Real Madrid will always be defined by Kaká and Ronaldo. In signing the last two winners of the Fifa world player of the year award, Florentino Pérez carried Madrid back to their "rightful place" at the centre of world football, basking in the media spotlight. And yet the signing of Alonso could prove just as significant for the passes he provides and the message his arrival conveys. If Kaká and Ronaldo excited supporters, Alonso allayed their fears; if Pérez's project depends on the stars, coach Manuel Pellegrini's depends on Alonso – the difference between good players and a good team.
Pellegrini spent the summer insisting upon the need to sign the midfielder, telling the media that he "would fit our style perfectly". Alonso wouldn't so much fit Pellegrini's style as impose it; he would provide Madrid's identity. There is a phrase that gets bandied about Spanish football: tell me who your central midfielder is and I'll tell you what kind of team you are. Madrid's central midfielder was Fernando Gago. Or Guti.
"I'm not here to impose order," Alonso insisted. In fact, that's exactly what he's here for. By his own admission, Pellegrini wants him to be the man who "drives" Madrid's play, controlling the "rhythm" of the game. Alongside Lassana Diarra, he also needs to protect the back four. Ronaldo, Karim Benzema and Kaká are not there to defend. "We have to hold our position and provide balance to the team," he explained. "With the attacking players we have got it is very important for us to have a collective spirit. If we can be compact, we will have found a good formula because there's plenty of individual talent. But on your own you're nobody."
It is a message that needed conveying. The coach told Pérez that getting Alonso was "fundamental". The need was all the more pressing for the brilliance of the Barcelona midfield. Pellegrini described him as "unique": no other player on the market could offer the kind of control boasted by Barça's Xavi Hernández.
"The central midfielder is very important because you have to control the pace of the game. You're the player in closest contact with all your team-mates, you're the link between defence and attack," Alonso said. "Pellegrini tells me I am the one that has to offer solutions to the other players; I have to associate myself with them." The more pre-season progressed without him, the clearer it became that Madrid might have great players but there was little pattern, no control. Defending and hitting opponents on the break is fine for most clubs, but Madrid are not most clubs.
The sporting director, Miguel Pardeza, and director general, Jorge Valdano, agreed.
But buying Alonso was not just a case of persuading Benítez, it was a case of persuading Pérez. The president was not convinced: he considered Alonso expensive, a man who does not bring in revenue, not worth spending more than £25m on. The fact that he relented was a victory for Pellegrini. It was a victory too for those who demanded that Madrid "Spanishify" the side. Last time Pérez signed just one Spaniard: Sergio Ramos.Much as the departures of Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder – two players Pellegrini publicly said he wanted to keep – have reawakened concerns about priorities, the arrival of Alonso was also a sign that this time might be different. Maybe Pérez has learned his lessons – maybe now he will listen to his coach. Alonso does not fit the galáctico mould. Yet he cost more than David Beckham.
"Bit by bit we're adapting and getting to know the coach and what he wants of us," Alonso said, "but we still have to improve lots of things. Slowly we're making steps forward. The challenge now is to make sure that it works like a well-oiled machine." As Madrid approach the first game of a new era, no one expects perfection tonight. It's just a relief to know that, this time, there's someone capable at the controls.
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very nice piece on Xabi from Sid..
Sid Lowe
Forget Kaká and Ronaldo – it is the former Liverpool midfielder who will dictate Real Madrid's play this season
If you asked Real Madrid fans to pinpoint when they believed their season might actually turn out to be a success, many would choose the same moment Liverpool fans first thought theirs might not. Two months after Kaká had joined the club, a month after 80,000 fans had packed into the Bernabéu for Cristiano Ronaldo's presentation, Madrid finally met Rafael Benítez's £30m asking price for Xabi Alonso. It was 5 August and, having soared above £250m, Madrid's spending was over at last. They had the team they wanted. Tomorrow night that team has a first opportunity to prove themselves in La Liga against Deportivo La Coruña.
The new Real Madrid will always be defined by Kaká and Ronaldo. In signing the last two winners of the Fifa world player of the year award, Florentino Pérez carried Madrid back to their "rightful place" at the centre of world football, basking in the media spotlight. And yet the signing of Alonso could prove just as significant for the passes he provides and the message his arrival conveys. If Kaká and Ronaldo excited supporters, Alonso allayed their fears; if Pérez's project depends on the stars, coach Manuel Pellegrini's depends on Alonso – the difference between good players and a good team.
Pellegrini spent the summer insisting upon the need to sign the midfielder, telling the media that he "would fit our style perfectly". Alonso wouldn't so much fit Pellegrini's style as impose it; he would provide Madrid's identity. There is a phrase that gets bandied about Spanish football: tell me who your central midfielder is and I'll tell you what kind of team you are. Madrid's central midfielder was Fernando Gago. Or Guti.
"I'm not here to impose order," Alonso insisted. In fact, that's exactly what he's here for. By his own admission, Pellegrini wants him to be the man who "drives" Madrid's play, controlling the "rhythm" of the game. Alongside Lassana Diarra, he also needs to protect the back four. Ronaldo, Karim Benzema and Kaká are not there to defend. "We have to hold our position and provide balance to the team," he explained. "With the attacking players we have got it is very important for us to have a collective spirit. If we can be compact, we will have found a good formula because there's plenty of individual talent. But on your own you're nobody."
It is a message that needed conveying. The coach told Pérez that getting Alonso was "fundamental". The need was all the more pressing for the brilliance of the Barcelona midfield. Pellegrini described him as "unique": no other player on the market could offer the kind of control boasted by Barça's Xavi Hernández.
"The central midfielder is very important because you have to control the pace of the game. You're the player in closest contact with all your team-mates, you're the link between defence and attack," Alonso said. "Pellegrini tells me I am the one that has to offer solutions to the other players; I have to associate myself with them." The more pre-season progressed without him, the clearer it became that Madrid might have great players but there was little pattern, no control. Defending and hitting opponents on the break is fine for most clubs, but Madrid are not most clubs.
The sporting director, Miguel Pardeza, and director general, Jorge Valdano, agreed.
But buying Alonso was not just a case of persuading Benítez, it was a case of persuading Pérez. The president was not convinced: he considered Alonso expensive, a man who does not bring in revenue, not worth spending more than £25m on. The fact that he relented was a victory for Pellegrini. It was a victory too for those who demanded that Madrid "Spanishify" the side. Last time Pérez signed just one Spaniard: Sergio Ramos.Much as the departures of Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder – two players Pellegrini publicly said he wanted to keep – have reawakened concerns about priorities, the arrival of Alonso was also a sign that this time might be different. Maybe Pérez has learned his lessons – maybe now he will listen to his coach. Alonso does not fit the galáctico mould. Yet he cost more than David Beckham.
"Bit by bit we're adapting and getting to know the coach and what he wants of us," Alonso said, "but we still have to improve lots of things. Slowly we're making steps forward. The challenge now is to make sure that it works like a well-oiled machine." As Madrid approach the first game of a new era, no one expects perfection tonight. It's just a relief to know that, this time, there's someone capable at the controls.
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very nice piece on Xabi from Sid..
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