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Gnegneri

Gnegneri

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Yeah, and Inter had the most internationals of all teams last year I believe and all they won was some depleted Serie A trophies.
 
Beast

Beast

The Observer
Gnegneri said:
Yeah, and Inter had the most internationals of all teams last year I believe and all they won was some depleted Serie A trophies.
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I don't think so , Matrix,Samuel,Vieira,Mancini..etc are all not picked for the national teams .

and i'm talking about international for Swaziland but 3 Spanish International, German International,Portugal Int, Brazil Int,Argie Int (not much though for Garay )
 
Gnegneri

Gnegneri

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Yes, very cool beast. It doesn't change the fact that your defense is bad and sometimes even shockingly bad. Marcelo won't do the trick, Metzelder won't do it on top level as well, Ramos fails consistently (confed cup was his latest piece of art, even though he is an international), ....

If it is all about the Champions League, you will have defensive problems. Luckily the only top team you will play is Barcelona before the KO stage of the Champions League so you can keep dreaming a few months.

Nothing has changed in your defense regarding last year imo. Albiol has all to prove and he has to fill Cannavaro's foot steps. I can see you getting excited about the midfield and attack, but how you can defend your defense knocks me out. You have by far the lamest defense of the european top teams.
 
Beast

Beast

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Gnegneri said:
Yes, very cool beast. It doesn't change the fact that your defense is bad and sometimes even shockingly bad. Marcelo won't do the trick, Metzelder won't do it on top level as well, Ramos fails consistently (confed cup was his latest piece of art, even though he is an international), ....

If it is all about the Champions League, you will have defensive problems. Luckily the only top team you will play is Barcelona before the KO stage of the Champions League so you can keep dreaming a few months.

Nothing has changed in your defense regarding last year imo. Albiol has all to prove and he has to fill Cannavaro's foot steps. I can see you getting excited about the midfield and attack, but how you can defend your defense knocks me out. You have by far the lamest defense of the european top teams.
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Change the fact ? can you provide the fact ? cause one goal conceded per game is quite good for a team attacking with 5-6 players all the time
Our defense is bad sometimes not all the time , the main weakness is set pieces not one on ones ..etc
Marcelo & Drenthe role is more offensive based on the tactical scheme deployed , they do the work required defensively but they are not Maldini's .
Metzelder ? Metzelder is the most consistent & solid defender we have and the most underrated as well .. you want to see Metzelder go no further than the last Classico in Camp no. i've said that last year on the old forum i feel much more safe & secure when Metz is one of the 2 CB's playing
Ramos had a dip in form last year (given ) but he is WORLD CLASS RB .
lamest ? lol . i think that's the only area you can tackle atm never the less that "Lamest " defense is much better than last couple of years and i seriously like "fill in cannavaro " for Albiol considering cule's laughed a lot on Cannavaro & Heinze .
Albiol is doing quite well so far what we need to train on is setpieces (almost 70's of the goals we conceded last year) that's where we fail and that's what i believe Manu will concentrate on with the defenders.
out of the 3 goals 2 of them came from setpieces and the only one in our defense who is solid in this area is Metzelder
from a very unbiased point of view i do hold Iker to blame at times cause Iker always stand in his goal line and depend on his fast as fuck reflexes but in corners & freekicks sometimes it's way better to come out and punch the ball . i understand he is reluctant due to his lack of height for a keeper ( i think he is 183 cm )
this area always was /always will be Iker main problem as a keeper
however back to the point i don't think our defense is lame or weak this year , but it's fun to see cule's jumping to the gun on the only bad stats ,still 3 goals in 3 is very good especially when you average 3.6 goals a game .
however if i was a cule i would be worried since your goals seems a rarity this season :p
 
Abaddon

Abaddon

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our defensive issues (if there are any) are related to balance, not quality of individual players. If you make the decision to play offensive football with a lot of players in front of the ball, you're gonna run on some counters. Doesn't have to be a problem as long as you score more than the other team. So far, we have done that. No problem yet. The only thing that remotely worries me is our set piece defending, which is once again not related to Hamzah's drivel.

edit: I see Gio came to a similar conclusion.
 
Gnegneri

Gnegneri

immaculately conceived
Beast said:
however back to the point i don't think our defense is lame or weak this year , but it's fun to see cule's jumping to the gun on the only bad stats ,still 3 goals in 3 is very good especially when you average 3.6 goals a game .
however if i was a cule i would be worried since your goals seems a rarity this season :p
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i don't jump only at the bad stats. I praised your transfers, I just said I know why someone gets excited by the midfield and attack.

You on the other hand seem to balance everything towards the positive side. The way you try to defend it by going with the averages. Come on G, as if the stats would be the same if you played Inter instead of Zurich.

You have one of the best midfield-attacks but the defense ain't. and that is what is going to matter pretty hard in the Champions League. We were lucky last year with it.
 
yusuf

yusuf

Yusuf Islam
so you are saying if our defense played our attack our defense would be worst then chelski and the mancs???
 
Beast

Beast

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Gnegneri said:
i don't jump only at the bad stats. I praised your transfers, I just said I know why someone gets excited by the midfield and attack.

You on the other hand seem to balance everything towards the positive side. The way you try to defend it by going with the averages. Come on G, as if the stats would be the same if you played Inter instead of Zurich.

You have one of the best midfield-attacks but the defense ain't. and that is what is going to matter pretty hard in the Champions League. We were lucky last year with it.
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I'm not balancing anything towards the positive , i mentioned our weakness which has to do with tactics & training than individuals and this where me ( & Ward ) tried to explain to you .
1 player can look very average with one manager & absolutely brilliant with another one it has everything to do with the way the team play and tactics deployed not with his skills
you can check Torres for example between his liverpool form and Spain form is a big gap , it has to do with how Benitez use him and who is beside him/behind him .. with Villa it's not working . Gerrard - Lampard with England under Fabio and before him

how can you JUDGE the defense if you don't bring the stats ? can i claim X or Y is a great defender when his team concede 5 goals a game ?
The defense as individual players are quite good and solid , if we play like Liverpool for example any 4 defenders will look great that's what you are not taking into your argument.
come on Kevin is Lucio a solid defender ? he is far from it yet he looked WC last night due to Jose tactics . if Lucio was a Madrid player vs Zürich or Espanyol..etc we would concede 3 goals a game cause he will be exposed
 
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