Real Madrid (old thread)

[Zqa-]

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez is reportedly unhappy with the performance of coach Manuel Pellegrini this season as Los Merengues sit in second place in the Primera Division, according to Sport.

From Goal. I haven't read Sport. But still, .. They haven't been good either.

 

[Beast]

Gio, whether or not these stories are true is irrelevant. You have the equivalent of a Go Kart racer trying to drive a F1 car. This will only end horribly for RMadrid and Pelligrini.

How is not irrelevant ? it is of course.
when your rival newspaper make up stories (not the first time ) you just let it pass cause you know the amount of fabrication is 100 % true.

Do we have to believe the story and neglect the fact Perez has been in the shadow for the past 4 month simply because Sport wrote (wrote not reported ) an article not based on a single incident or quote ?
with a minimum amount of intelligence u'll have to laugh and discard the story all together especially when the leader of the F1 team (to go with the flow ) has tried changing drivers plenty of time and hired semi-Amateur drivers thinking the Ferrari is a great machine it will run by itself .

the defeat means nothing for the team and this is a new team with Valdano in charge of it fully, until Valdano make a change it stays that way and i fully trust the Football own philosopher completely in his actions .

 

[yusuf]

you are a liar beast madrid will soon unravel and suck for all eternity hahahahahahahha

 

[Esteve]

It's only three points dropped. Not the end of the world.

Although it has come early & they have failed their first real test. I call crisis, if only for fun.

 

[veryfatchocobo]

CRISIS LOL

I joked crisis when Barça lost to Man City. I don't see how Perez would be mad at Pellegrini for the loss really. Sevilla was just the better team that day.

 

[Hamzah]

i think pellegrini was picked because he was slightly like wenger. its only one game its a marathon not a sprint we shouldn't get carried away...

 

[Raed]

When we win the league, we prefer to have beat the big teams a long the way even if we do not rack up a record tally at the end of season. It is in our nature. That is why any loss to any big team for Real Madrid against big teams is always magnified.

That is not to say that one cannot learn and Pellegrini will get it right when he is presented with the time.

I just hate Xabi Alonso now, he has been a pussy.

 

[sammy]

But it's sevilla, and your playing at their home ground? and also everyone and everything seem below standard of RM imo. I don't know if that story is true. But if it's true, perez might lost another good coach. Come on, it was sevilla ffs....I don't even know if barca could win against them if they are playing in that kinda way and at ramon sanchez

 

[IrvDizzle]

How is not irrelevant ? it is of course.
when your rival newspaper make up stories (not the first time ) you just let it pass cause you know the amount of fabrication is 100 % true.

Do we have to believe the story and neglect the fact Perez has been in the shadow for the past 4 month simply because Sport wrote (wrote not reported ) an article not based on a single incident or quote ?
with a minimum amount of intelligence u'll have to laugh and discard the story all together especially when the leader of the F1 team (to go with the flow ) has tried changing drivers plenty of time and hired semi-Amateur drivers thinking the Ferrari is a great machine it will run by itself .

the defeat means nothing for the team and this is a new team with Valdano in charge of it fully, until Valdano make a change it stays that way and i fully trust the Football own philosopher completely in his actions .

but the Galactico way is already been proven wrong. You can't expect a team of me-first superstars to play like a team unless you have a coach who can bend their will to his. And Pelligrini has not faced anything like this. EVER. Pelligrini is an amateur. Ironically, the only man who I could see leading this team, aside from maybe Hiddink, is Capello. But Capello isn't 'sexy' enough for Los Galacticos. Because of the way they burned bridges with Capello, and Wenger turned them down as well, Perez went with Pelligrini. He didn't go with the next obvious choice, Mourinho. Maybe you can shed light on that, Gio. I understand that Perez is jealous of FCB and the way they play football. I understand Perez wishes he had a bunch of class players and personalities like FCB does who are culturally attached to the club. But when you go the Galactico way you hire a manager who can manage the personalities. Manuel can't. Never shown that he was able to win with a team that didn't already win. Never shown that he could handle the personalities that are in that locker room. Things are fine now, but after the first Clasico they won't be. Things will get ugly very quickly. Whether these rumours are true or not is irrelevent because this was just a loss to Sevilla. Imagine what chaos will follow when RMadrid lose the first Clasico. And what happens if/when RMadrid lose the second Clasico? That's when Perez will realize why Don Capello was the best coach for the job, and why I thank the football gods he's coaching England. You can defend Perez/Pelligrini all you want, he's not suited to do this job.

 

[sammy]

IF they loose, things will get ugly. But if they win, i think they will celebrate it like they were the best team ever build.

 

[Metaphysical]

I disagree that pellegrini hasn't shown an ability to handle primadonna players. in fact I'd say he's very good at that. he doesn't take any shit.

riqui tried to show him up and he dropped the cunt 'til he fucked off back to argentina and moved the team on without him. brilliant man-and-squad management.

now, that worked at villarreal because the stakes were low and he had a chairman who backed him to the hilt. at real the stakes are high and, crucially, the chairman is a retard (in footballing terms).

that makes all the difference. at villarreal the players knew who was boss. it wasn't them. at real... well, do CR, benzema and the like really think that way? galacticos mark I worked (for a while) because the players knew who was boss. man utd works because the players know who's boss. capello's england works because the players know who is boss. jose's chelsea worked because the players knew who was boss. etc. etc. etc.

no manager could do anything with this madrid team unless the management backs them. that is CRUCIAL. players have enough power these days but when you've assembled a dream-team of primadonnas who have had their bumholes thoroughly moistened by the tongues of the press and the chairman has a well-publicised full-on chubby for big star names and has no problem booting coaches out of the door like penniless drunks then you're pretty much gonna have the inmates running the asylum.

will the management back pellegrini? fucked if I know.

 

[IrvDizzle]

that's a good point, Meta. Pelligrini doesn't have the same level of control at RMadrid. And I remember him sending Riquelme back to Argentina. But, Riquelme was a "black sheep", to borrow Edmilson's phrase. The entire team was united in kicking him out. The situation he will face through the year in Madrid will be different. His surroundings, the players, the press, the expectations, way different than in Villarreal or anywhere else he's been.

not that I'm complaining. I'm just voicing an opinion that's been swirling around in my head for months now.

 

[Cule Angles]

There's a difference between managing a problem and simply getting rid of it. Yes it takes balls to boot out a player like Riquelme but will Manu be capable of finding a solution when getting rid isn't an option?

 

[Beast]

but the Galactico way is already been proven wrong. You can't expect a team of me-first superstars to play like a team unless you have a coach who can bend their will to his. And Pelligrini has not faced anything like this. EVER. Pelligrini is an amateur. Ironically, the only man who I could see leading this team, aside from maybe Hiddink, is Capello. But Capello isn't 'sexy' enough for Los Galacticos. Because of the way they burned bridges with Capello, and Wenger turned them down as well, Perez went with Pelligrini. He didn't go with the next obvious choice, Mourinho. Maybe you can shed light on that, Gio. I understand that Perez is jealous of FCB and the way they play football. I understand Perez wishes he had a bunch of class players and personalities like FCB does who are culturally attached to the club. But when you go the Galactico way you hire a manager who can manage the personalities. Manuel can't. Never shown that he was able to win with a team that didn't already win. Never shown that he could handle the personalities that are in that locker room. Things are fine now, but after the first Clasico they won't be. Things will get ugly very quickly. Whether these rumours are true or not is irrelevent because this was just a loss to Sevilla. Imagine what chaos will follow when RMadrid lose the first Clasico. And what happens if/when RMadrid lose the second Clasico? That's when Perez will realize why Don Capello was the best coach for the job, and why I thank the football gods he's coaching England. You can defend Perez/Pelligrini all you want, he's not suited to do this job.

Ok i see where you are going wrong here..
this is totally different than Perez first project..totally i don't even call them galacticos this time around..

how can you compare a midfield of Beckham-Zidane-Figo-Solari-Guti and an attacking line up of Ronaldo-Raul-Moro-Owen with M Diarra-Xabi Alonso-Kaka-Granero-Guti-CR-Lass
and a forward line of Raul-Higuain-Ruud-Benzema ? a defense line of Pavon-Helguera-Salgado-Carlos-Raul bravo with a defensive line up of Ramos-Pepe-Albiol-Marcelo-Arbeloa-Metzelder ?

if you can't see the big difference here do yourself a favor and try to make a formation of the first one and let me know if you manage to do that .. hell i'll throw you gravesen on top .. and with some extra free time (a minute or so ) try to do the second one and see if you can pull it with ease or not .

Pellegerini an amateur ? based on what ? he coached River Plate successfully before Villarreal a club with similar amount of demand and pressure and a hated rivalry with Boca similar to what we have with Barca.
If Amateurs aren't successful Pep,Mourinho & Capello would have failed ..Mourinho had zero big players experience before Chelsea,Pep in his first year as a first team coach & Capello took over from one of Milan most successful manager (Sacchi ) and a 2 back to back CL trophy winner to continue domination with Milan in the early 90's .

And you simply don't go from Wenger to Mourinho .. u just don't , the closest thing to Wenger was Pellegerini in terms of everything ..
the choice of Wenger as a first option tells you this management was looking for the Beautiful game not trophies otherwise Mourinho-Capelloesque managers would be first choice.
when you go for Wenger or Pellegerini you are not looking for INSTANT trophies considering the two men record in trophies is appalling don't you think ?

success or failure is a bit too mature now for sure there is mistakes like any manager (including Capello insisting on playing Emerson or Benching Becks ) but he has a buffer period of 6 month at least .
Valdano will run this club well and i don't have doubts about his ability or experience

There's a difference between managing a problem and simply getting rid of it. Yes it takes balls to boot out a player like Riquelme but will Manu be capable of finding a solution when getting rid isn't an option?

I don't think anyone want to get rid of the current squad "star" players par Raul who is greatly under pressure from everyone since Seville game especially that his goal scoring ratio this year is crap

I disagree that pellegrini hasn't shown an ability to handle primadonna players. in fact I'd say he's very good at that. he doesn't take any shit.

riqui tried to show him up and he dropped the cunt 'til he fucked off back to argentina and moved the team on without him. brilliant man-and-squad management.

now, that worked at villarreal because the stakes were low and he had a chairman who backed him to the hilt. at real the stakes are high and, crucially, the chairman is a retard (in footballing terms).

that makes all the difference. at villarreal the players knew who was boss. it wasn't them. at real... well, do CR, benzema and the like really think that way? galacticos mark I worked (for a while) because the players knew who was boss. man utd works because the players know who's boss. capello's england works because the players know who is boss. jose's chelsea worked because the players knew who was boss. etc. etc. etc.

no manager could do anything with this madrid team unless the management backs them. that is CRUCIAL. players have enough power these days but when you've assembled a dream-team of primadonnas who have had their bumholes thoroughly moistened by the tongues of the press and the chairman has a well-publicised full-on chubby for big star names and has no problem booting coaches out of the door like penniless drunks then you're pretty much gonna have the inmates running the asylum.

will the management back pellegrini? fucked if I know.

I do think he has full support from Valdano otherwise he wouldn't bench Kaka-CR or Benzema .. this hasn't happened in the first era at all

anyhow Roberto Carlos may join Real in January for free and play until June

 

[Cule Angles]

I look forward to the press conference when he arrives and madrid are 12 points adrift of Barça; "We'll be top by March".