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guti's situation is similar to paul scholes, IMO.
both are technically excellent and good enough for 80% of the opposition they will face but that final 20% (top teams and very physical teams) will overrun them in CM and they will just have no effect on the game.
to be fair beast, he never "benched" CR and kaka, he rotated them. it's a very different thing as you know and tbh when you hire pellegrini you do haveta expect rotation and teams picked for specific games (like how he never picked his star strikers at camp nou, forcing the players to work together as a team to find a goal). but CR hasn't reacted well to being subbed and by all accounts neither did granero or benzema. it's a tricky situation to manage, especially when you throw raul into the mix.
I'm sure valdano will back him, purely because there are no other options on the market right now (well felipao could be available soon) but it's quite obvious he wasn't first or even second choice, and that could eventually play a factor. valdano will have to stick by him though coz you can bet perez will want to drop him soon enough.
both are technically excellent and good enough for 80% of the opposition they will face but that final 20% (top teams and very physical teams) will overrun them in CM and they will just have no effect on the game.
to be fair beast, he never "benched" CR and kaka, he rotated them. it's a very different thing as you know and tbh when you hire pellegrini you do haveta expect rotation and teams picked for specific games (like how he never picked his star strikers at camp nou, forcing the players to work together as a team to find a goal). but CR hasn't reacted well to being subbed and by all accounts neither did granero or benzema. it's a tricky situation to manage, especially when you throw raul into the mix.
I'm sure valdano will back him, purely because there are no other options on the market right now (well felipao could be available soon) but it's quite obvious he wasn't first or even second choice, and that could eventually play a factor. valdano will have to stick by him though coz you can bet perez will want to drop him soon enough.
Beast
The Observer
Valdano has spoken in the AS forum and here some of what he said in short
- Roberto Carlos will not be returning as a player in January , he might return in the future for another role (like a coach )
- The team is in good hands ,Pellegerini is a methodical coach to the obsession , intelligent , quiet , serious .. he will help his team adapt quickly and efficiently .
the team lack fluency in the game in any case we cannot be more pleased with the start of the team , we got 15 out of possible 18 points and only one game was won by a single goal
- Madrid is obliged to strive for excellence, we are required to win and play well so we need patience .
- Negredo has much to learn, in the summer we thought of keeping him but the team had many strikers, we needed to find a solution and in any case we have our option to repurchase.
- Of course we were going to miss CR (Seville game ) but that doesn't mean the team can't function without him
- Marcelo is a good lb & midfield he is just 21 years old and made a lot of progress , we cannot condemn him for one game we believe he has a future in Real .
- on Casillas save i do not know if it's the best but it's one of the best i've seen in 40 years.
- Guti has great commitment and doing a great job, he remains a cult player for Real and i hope he continue like this all season.
- Raul puts Madrid beyond any question.
- i will not coach Madrid even if Perez asked me , i have a different role and i have to meet my objective
- on the difference between Real Madrid & Barcelona " Barca played like this for the last 25 years , we need to show we have good players and be competitive , Madrid is more gifted in acceleration and possession"
- We went to the locker room after Seville game (me & Pardeza the sporting director ) but we also did the same after Xerez , Tenerife..etc and we will keep on doing forever
- Roberto Carlos will not be returning as a player in January , he might return in the future for another role (like a coach )
- The team is in good hands ,Pellegerini is a methodical coach to the obsession , intelligent , quiet , serious .. he will help his team adapt quickly and efficiently .
the team lack fluency in the game in any case we cannot be more pleased with the start of the team , we got 15 out of possible 18 points and only one game was won by a single goal
- Madrid is obliged to strive for excellence, we are required to win and play well so we need patience .
- Negredo has much to learn, in the summer we thought of keeping him but the team had many strikers, we needed to find a solution and in any case we have our option to repurchase.
- Of course we were going to miss CR (Seville game ) but that doesn't mean the team can't function without him
- Marcelo is a good lb & midfield he is just 21 years old and made a lot of progress , we cannot condemn him for one game we believe he has a future in Real .
- on Casillas save i do not know if it's the best but it's one of the best i've seen in 40 years.
- Guti has great commitment and doing a great job, he remains a cult player for Real and i hope he continue like this all season.
- Raul puts Madrid beyond any question.
- i will not coach Madrid even if Perez asked me , i have a different role and i have to meet my objective
- on the difference between Real Madrid & Barcelona " Barca played like this for the last 25 years , we need to show we have good players and be competitive , Madrid is more gifted in acceleration and possession"
- We went to the locker room after Seville game (me & Pardeza the sporting director ) but we also did the same after Xerez , Tenerife..etc and we will keep on doing forever
Beast
The Observer
Yeah it might be a slip of the tongue but Barca is much better than us in this department although we have good possession this season but not compared to u guys
well rotation is something i agree on especially if u are competing in everything
I think Valdano believe in him and was his first choice ahead of Wenger .. i strongly remember an article back in March (on AS ) saying Perez want Wenger but Valdano is pushing for his first choice Pellegerini
agree with your views on Guti
Found it , or part of it ..
http://www.as.com/opinion/articulo/pellegrini-suena-gusta/dasopi/20090327dasdaiopi_4/Tes
The article dates back to end of March and saying Pellegrini has a supporter in the Perez team and that's Valdano
still struggling to see how the strikers and left midfielder line up. assuming kaka and ronaldo will usually play in the centre and right attacking midfield, will there be two strikers (if so, who would fit?) or play the 4-2-3-1 (if so who is the striker and left midfielder?)
veryfatchocobo
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http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spai...nzema-outburst-causes-real-madrid-rift-report
This better be true about Negredo... Perez is the stupidest person in the world if his big name mentality held true.
This better be true about Negredo... Perez is the stupidest person in the world if his big name mentality held true.
veryfatchocobo
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Beast, let's look at my post again.
Hint: This better be true...blahblah... held true.
Note: I'm not saying this article is fact. I'm just saying I hope it's fact.
Hint: This better be true...blahblah... held true.
Note: I'm not saying this article is fact. I'm just saying I hope it's fact.
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