Real Madrid (old thread)

[Plip]

I don't know why people bag Abidal, he's become so solid its an amazing turn around, he is an unsung hero.Nothing gets down his flank and his positioning is outstanding.

I have to concur with this. I was one of the people that badmouthing him last season but so far this season he has been rock solid. I don't know whether it was Maxwell's arrival that made him shape up or not but I've really liked his performance so far.

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Oh, forgot, 'twas the Madrid topic

 

[Gnegneri]

why drop $300m Euros ....

ZOMG 300 million dollareuro?????

You make some points but some points are jjust taken too far.

In order to make a valid point you don't jump on Pellegerini throat after one month.otherwise u would have sacked Pep last year do your homework buddy

Eh?

+ some culés voted for Pepe, don't pretend it is the first choice of everyone in here. There was enough Puyol-Piqué as well.

 

[Beast]

ZOMG 300 million dollareuro?????

You make some points but some points are jjust taken too far.


Eh?

+ some culés voted for Pepe, don't pretend it is the first choice of everyone in here. There was enough Puyol-Piqué as well.

Eh what ?you started your season bad last year Kev .. defeat, draw ..etc .

most of those who voted Puyol-Pique (and they were few ) just put Barca 11 starters .

 

[Gnegneri]

Come on G. Pre-season was marvelous + the gameplay in both games (Racing as well as Numancia) was pretty much awesome. Barcelona was unlucky in both games, they didn't play dull football like you have during september.

 

[Beast]

Come on G. Pre-season was marvelous + the gameplay in both games (Racing as well as Numancia) was pretty much awesome. Barcelona was unlucky in both games, they didn't play dull football like you have during september.

u didn't also have 6 starters or changed your formation Kev
Only Alves & Pique the rest were basically the same .

and now u were not that entertaining or anywhere near awesome Jesus

they parked the bus , you couldn't do anything except the old pass the ball around (from side to side what i used to describe as negative possession under Frank ) which isn't hard or need exceptional players to do when the other 10 players stayed in their goal zone and the other team stats almost reached one chance = one goal in Valdes
given Pep changed that in time but he didn't have much work compared to Pellegerini . yet for a manager with half the starters new for a team his results are better than Pep last year in his first year whether through points/goals scored..etc

 

[Gnegneri]

You just said that we would have sacked Pep last year which is not true. I don't really care if you have more new players (you also forget to mention what quality the new players have. You don't have a 'normal' new team eh.) or something, we wouldn't have sacked Pep because the only bad thing were the two first results. We had chances, Eto'o even hit the bar in the Numancia game. Just unlucky.

The Pep argument was just to get back at the culés here with a crappy statement.

 

[Beast]

You just said that we would have sacked Pep last year which is not true. I don't really care if you have more new players (you also forget to mention what quality the new players have. You don't have a 'normal' new team eh.) or something, we wouldn't have sacked Pep because the only bad thing were the two first results. We had chances, Eto'o even hit the bar in the Numancia game. Just unlucky.

The Pep argument was just to get back at the culés here with a crappy statement.

The Pep argument is to counter the ready made opinion of "Some " cules about Pellegrini.

If Rome was built in a day and managers judged over one month of work football will have a different format.

I'm sure you would love if Pellegrini was sacked after the first month i seriously wonder how contradictory your opinions would be as i'm sure you would have all said one month was not enough , look @ Pep first month and that the management should have given him more time , ain't that right ?

the quality of the player is irrelevant to how good /long he adapt especially when he is moving to a new league. it took Zidane 6 month to adapt while he piss all over the current generation of footballers , took Di Stefano 2 month .. it took CR 2 month of pre-season and games to start scoring anything apart from penalty kicks on regular basis.

however player adaption is one thing and team gelling together is another thing entirely that's why i always remained confident and repeating the fact that we will not win the liga since last June

so far i'm still waiting for a solid argument from your side

 

[Gnegneri]

The Pep argument is to counter the ready made opinion of "Some " cules about Pellegrini.

If Rome was built in a day and managers judged over one month of work football will have a different format.

I'm sure you would love if Pellegrini was sacked after the first month i seriously wonder how contradictory your opinions would be as i'm sure you would have all said one month was not enough , look @ Pep first month and that the management should have given him more time , ain't that right ?

the quality of the player is irrelevant to how good /long he adapt especially when he is moving to a new league. it took Zidane 6 month to adapt while he piss all over the current generation of footballers , took Di Stefano 2 month .. it took CR 2 month of pre-season and games to start scoring anything apart from penalty kicks on regular basis.

however player adaption is one thing and team gelling together is another thing entirely that's why i always remained confident and repeating the fact that we will not win the liga since last June

so far i'm still waiting for a solid argument from your side

Why would I want Pellegrini sacked? You can check my posts on him, I think he did just plain brilliant at Villarreal and though I don't like his grin or look o the bench (too evil, fits Madrid) I don't wish him personally any bad. So no, I don't want him to be sacked just for the sake of it. I do want Madrid to win nothing, of course. But that's not linked with Manu in person.

I still don't see the problem with Pep. Check the summaries of our first two games. It was the same as later games, energetic with some good chances. Just unlucky, we didn't play bad at all. Plus at this point in 08 we had 13 out of 18. Is that so bad to be sacked? Neither is 15/18 of course but the play on the pitch is imo. That's the difference, if you would play all your games like 2nd half Tenerife, it takes the pain away from a bad result.

Of course the quality of the new players is relevant. Not to adapt but to make the difference. Which is what Ronaldo did so far goalwise. It's not that you bought half a new squad full of newbies. No, the most recent ballon d'ors etc. So they will always do something more special than just a new decent player (except Alonso, no idea what's wrong with him. It doesn't seem to work on all aspects so far). Thus I do think that the individual quality of the players is very important here since that's what got you the 6/6 and 15/18 so far.

 

[Hamzah]

but you've ruined the transfer market. its similar to the big economic crash, with prices being blown out of proportion, couldn't this happend in the football market as well?

zidane was worth every penny of what you paid for him. he is twice the player of ronaldo, who is now twice the value of zidane. that is inflating the market (which of course favours you) but is ruining the reputation you once had as a club with history and tradition (the reputation has gone down anyway towards the end of the first galacticos)

 

[Metaphysical]

both goals we conceded against numancia and racing were (huge) defensive errors.

we battered them for the rest of the game, but just couldn't find a way through. things came together vs. the two sportings, though.

but beast is correct - rome wasn't built in a day. if pellegrini is given the time he needs, he could turn things around (it's not a sure thing, I remain to be fully convinced by 4222).

for me the big thing is how long can valdano suppress perez's sack-itis.

 

[Hamzah]

the 4-2-3-1 would be far more solid and is needed for any hope of competing in europe. the 4-2-2-2 is a free for all imo.

 

[Beast]

Why would I want Pellegrini sacked? You can check my posts on him, I think he did just plain brilliant at Villarreal and though I don't like his grin or look o the bench (too evil, fits Madrid) I don't wish him personally any bad. So no, I don't want him to be sacked just for the sake of it. I do want Madrid to win nothing, of course. But that's not linked with Manu in person.

I still don't see the problem with Pep. Check the summaries of our first two games. It was the same as later games, energetic with some good chances. Just unlucky, we didn't play bad at all. Plus at this point in 08 we had 13 out of 18. Is that so bad to be sacked? Neither is 15/18 of course but the play on the pitch is imo. That's the difference, if you would play all your games like 2nd half Tenerife, it takes the pain away from a bad result.

Of course the quality of the new players is relevant. Not to adapt but to make the difference. Which is what Ronaldo did so far goalwise. It's not that you bought half a new squad full of newbies. No, the most recent ballon d'ors etc. So they will always do something more special than just a new decent player (except Alonso, no idea what's wrong with him. It doesn't seem to work on all aspects so far). Thus I do think that the individual quality of the players is very important here since that's what got you the 6/6 and 15/18 so far.

Come on , wouldn't it be fun if we sacked the coach K? from a cule point of view ? imagine the posts

Not even the most recent Ballon D'or can adapt quickly.. it takes time as i said look @ Zizou & Di Stefano .
there is a difference between scoring (individual effort about talking about CR here ) and know when & where your team mate will be standing/moving /passing .. if you passes are too strong or too soft if you should do the ridiculous step over which ends in nothing or pass the ball and run in space to receive it.. all this takes time
It's easier to adapt if you are one player joining 10 other players playing the same way but when even those who give your the ball are new (Xabi-Kaka ) to the team and don't know what will their team mates do.

yes you can win games by individual efforts but to have a similar game play to lets say Barca or Seville it will take a longer time then one month K

but you've ruined the transfer market. its similar to the big economic crash, with prices being blown out of proportion, couldn't this happend in the football market as well?

zidane was worth every penny of what you paid for him. he is twice the player of ronaldo, who is now twice the value of zidane. that is inflating the market (which of course favours you) but is ruining the reputation you once had as a club with history and tradition (the reputation has gone down anyway towards the end of the first galacticos)

We've ruined nothing in fact we bought Kaka 35 million less than City ..
Zidane price is almost as much as CR in terms of purchasing power if not more

both goals we conceded against numancia and racing were (huge) defensive errors.

we battered them for the rest of the game, but just couldn't find a way through. things came together vs. the two sportings, though.

but beast is correct - rome wasn't built in a day. if pellegrini is given the time he needs, he could turn things around (it's not a sure thing, I remain to be fully convinced by 4222).

for me the big thing is how long can valdano suppress perez's sack-itis.

true, i have faith in Valdano though

the 4-2-3-1 would be far more solid and is needed for any hope of competing in europe. the 4-2-2-2 is a free for all imo.

well it will take longer to adapt to the 4-2-3-1 plus it's not suitable for the players with 2-3 wingers and 4 forwards

 

[Hamzah]

i know what you mean but with the strikers and kaka and ronaldo with total freedom and marcelo/ramos attacking you have a free for all. 4-2-3-1 is more suited to beating those defensive english teams.

 

[John Antonio Bilboa]

Who gives a fuck if we lost and drew with Numancia and Racing we still won the league, the cup, and the champions league.

 

[Gnegneri]

Probably miss the Malta game. Did the wizard's thing work? rarely injured and now he is.