I wanted this to be short and sweet ... but ... you didn't make me turn in to Mulder, Gio ... I still have Scully's skepticism. So I try again.
1. Concerning Ibrah over Villa: If Gio knew that Villa signed to personal terms with RMadrid then that means everyone in Spain who are in the business knew that as well. Furthermore, there was a rumour flying around that someone close to Villa had heard from Villa himself that Madrid made more sense for his family. Knowing this, why the hell would FCB want to sign him?
Ok Scully lets do this again ..
When Villa reportedly agree personal terms that was back in June, price initially agreed with Valencia and all going to plan then Valencia asked for more , we improved the price a bit but didn't meet their demands still they kept holding out for more.. we gave them a time limit /ultimatum to either do it or we call off the deal and we rightfully did .
Perez will not be held hostage like Calderon and spend the entire summer chasing ghosts .. all of you /us would be slamming him if the entire summer spent on Villa ended up with nothing .
the team needed to start pre-season and you can't stay forever waiting for mercury Valencia president and his never ending stories.. it's Valencia mistake not us ..
even Villa agent slammed Valencia changing opinions all summer as u later find out during your negotiation with them .
2. Villa's price was not too much for RMadrid. FFS, they spent almost 170m Euros on Kaka and Cristiano. As for Benzema "fitting in" with RMadrid's system, that's a lot of crap. A player who couldn't score more than 20 goals in Ligue 1 is a 'better fit' than Villa is? And who cares if Villa hasn't won any trophies? I can't believe you just dropped that line Gio. If RMadrid signed Villa you would have consumed more rum in a week than Eddy and I did over the entire summer. Naw bro, Villa was the right buy. RMadrid balked at the price shows exactly where Perez's intentions lie. If he wanted to strike fear in the hearts of La Liga he wouldn't have signed a player who FCB just shut down over 270minutes in the CL Final and the Semi Final Legs in 08. He wouldn't have signed a player who is clearly not the same player he was when he took Milano to the CL title. He signed Kaka and then he signed Cristiano and said, "HEY!! EVERYONE LOOK AT MADRID!! LOOK AT US!! BUY OUR JERSEY!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! LOOK AT US!!" Let's get hypothetical for a second here. How about this? 60m Euros on Kaka, 35m Euros on Benzema, and 96m Euros on Cristiano ... that's ... almost 200m Euros on those three guys. Lets say we keep Kaka, cuz that's a smart buy whether or not he's still as good as he was a few years back. That leaves 140m Euros. Instead of Benzema and Cristiano. why not 50m Euros on Villa and 60m Euros on Ribery ... still leaving 30m Euros for a competent defender. Doesn't that make more sense? 200m Euros on Ribery, Kaka, Villa, and I dunno ... freaking Evra or whoever ... doesn't that make more sense?
every club has it's own evaluation of the players depending on their needs , you evaluated Ibra for 70 Million i wouldn't pay more than 50 (including Eto'o) , Benzema is the only available striker par Eto'o & Villa that can offer speed upfront (i know he looks slow now but he has speed ) .
Kaka prestige and talents as a playmaker is not debatable here neither is CR u can score goals with anyone (Higuain & Raul both scored 20 + last season ) but you can't win tough games with Villa alone .. they are worth more cause they are cracks /game changers Kaka did enough to carry Milan on his own .. and they are doing brilliantly now without him
we didn't need Villa that much considering the strikers we have so we can't pay all this for him (and you would say if that happened look @ Real spent a fortune on ANOTHER striker )
u say Benzema was shut down over 180 minutes so was Villa with Valencia and u met them 2 times last year 4-0 & 2-2 and Villa didn't score
you met the year before it Valencia 4 times and Villa scored once..
Do the math buddy .. 6 games X 90 minutes 540 minutes vs Barca and one goal scored and hell that was with Koeman and vs Rijkaard..
So you are basing your facts based on imaginary stuff of Villa old heroics .. in fact Higuain scored more in Barca than Villa in the last 2 years .
Benzema might have a bright future ahead of him he is just 21 , i'm not his biggest fan i like Villa a lot but i won't accept my club taking hostage by some idiots in Valencia and u learned that the hard way after we pulled out . Benzema was and always were the second choice so you can't say we didn't try but there is a limit to how much Villa is valued even by Barca
3. Alonso, Arbeloa, Albiol were 50% of the new players brought in ... but combined were what ... 35m Euros for Alonso, 5m Euros for Arbeloa, 15m Euros for Albiol ... that's 55m ... that's not even what Kaka cost you. 50% of the new players, 1/4 the price. Fine, they actually bought Xabi which shows SOME improvement. but some improvement doesn't beat FCB. Which brings me to:
cause defenders are cheaper than AM's & Forwards unless your name is Txiki
Xabi (in principle and when he reach his form ) would be the missing piece in attack considering the 2 Diarra's ..he is the central playmaker who's job is to link the defense with attack
compare Albiol-Arbeloa with Heinze-Cannavaro and if that wasn't an improvement i give up ..
seriously you'll just be insisting on something , all 3 where good piece of business and a big upgrade from the previous ones .
4. Your team has not improved. I understand that Sevilla is a great team, the RSJ is one of the most intimidating places to play for a visiting team ... I get that. And yes, it would have been VERY VERY hard for FCB to win there without Leo. HOWEVER, we play a possession style of football that would have limited Sevilla's attacks and I like FCB's chances with Yaya and Sergi/Kieta backing up Maxwell or El Capitan vs Navas a hell of a lot more than whatever options it was that Pelligrini used (PS, you see the choice that FCB have on the left side? I didn't even include Abidal. How is it that FCB has more defensive options than RMadrid? Maybe that should have been addressed in the summer xfer window ... MAAAAAAAAYBE ... I dunno, you just did have 6 dropped on you in your own stadium. But what do I know?) You say that people on this forum would have put Pepe over Pique? I say that would have been true in September of 08, but not after the CL Final when Pique was monstrous v Utd in a CB partnership with Yaya freakin Toure. I want one person on this forum to say Pepe is better than Pique right now and then list why. I dare you.
NOT improved ? based on what ? a single game we lost to another on form team who like us have back to back wins after the first day in the liga & Europe ? losing to Seville at home means crisis ?? considering it's a new team and a new coach with a new tactics i think your "wishes " are taking the best of you ..
it's been one month and we are doing great taking into consideration all the changes that occurred
and u say Maxwell would have faired better than Marcelo
seriously what Maxwell have you watched this season ?
Abidal is better than any of our LB he is your own Arbeloa but with a left leg.. solid in defense ordinary upfront
considering Shagmisskey & Rafa impressive performance i don't think you have a better back up at all however Pique and Puyol are 2 great CB
considering the last classico was virtually against another team i don't think it's any sort of relevance to the current team we are having
and your fellow cule's voted for Pepe less then 3 weeks ago .. read the thread not last year .. Pepe was first choice beside PIQUE .. go figure
5. You misunderstood my point about Pelligrini not winning a title with a team that has not already won a title and I apologize because I did not clarify my point. I did not mean that the club Pelligrini coached had won a title at some point in their history, I meant that the actual players on the team were already defending champions in Chile, Ecuador, and Argentina when Pelligrini took over and won titles with the same players/team who were already defending champions. If the old site ever goes back up I'll copy/paste my post right here cuz that took me three hours to research and prove. And when Mourinho took over in Chelsea, exactly what had they won in the last 40 years? sweet fuck all. How'd that turn out for Chelsea? Pep took over a FCB team that was not expected to win a damned thing.
i guess you didn't read what i wrote.. so did Mourinho win anything prior to Porto when he coached a team that haven't won anything ? he didn't
chelsea won sweet fuck all in the last 40 years ? i guess my friend you need to research your whole debate cause this time you are talking out of your sweet arse
Chelsea won the FA cup in 94 & 2002, Cup winners cup in 98 and UEFA super cup in 98 as well that's all before Mourinho in the 10 years prior to his arrival
and Pep took over a team most of it was part of the CL /liga double .. that was Messi-Eto'o -Xavi-Iniesta-Rafa-Puyol-Valdes ..etc and they are still the most important factor in Pep triple season (par Rafa ) ..
6. Yes Gio, Villarreal is a small place to play and had zero Liga experience before Pelligrini worked wonders there. And this proves my point exactly. How long would Pelligrini last if he finished 2nd, 3rd place in La Liga and the CL Semis was the furthest he got? Would he even be around in his second year? Madrid is a WAAAAYYYYYYYY different beast (no pun intended) than the Yellow Submarine. There he could make mistakes and banish players to Argentina. Meanwhile, all of Spain believes that Raul should not be starting, but I don't see Pellegrini banishing Raul to the bench, let alone his home. Now lets say that Pelligrini doesn't have the full support of Perez and Co ... why is that? why hire a guy that you're not going to support? why drop $300m Euros on an F1 car and put in the 2nd choice driver? It's like Eddie Irvine is driving this car, not Schumacher. Big difference here. Fatal difference.
I WANT TO BELIEVE!!
In order to make a valid point you don't jump on Pellegerini throat after one month.otherwise u would have sacked Pep last year
do your homework buddy
yep it's sick
