Real Madrid (old thread)

[Hamzah]

???

 

[Metaphysical]

No you just conveniently picked a period in which Barca just edges Madrid in trophies

firstly, 28 to 20 isn't "just edges."

secondly, there's nothing "convinient" about it. 20 years, as I've said, is a good time period to look at to see who has had the most success in recent history (I thought meelan would have way more, guess their paucity of serie 'a' wins has knocked them down) it's a nice round number, and it goes from decade to decade, which is fitting as we're moving into a new decade in a few days.

also, it isn't as very recent as 10 years, so you can't just be a team who has a very bright few years (chelsea, valencia, etc.) and make it on the list. it basically pares it down to the best of the best. hence: barca, madrid, milan, bayern and united.

I wonder if there is one simpleton here who actually believes that.

Nevermind, Hamzah would, even if he wasn't a cule.

well, I don't lie, so I'd imagine everyone bar you would believe it.

???

he's calling you stupid.

 

[FCB_Titi_LB]

Dont forget to exclude all the trophees bought by Madrid

 

[Beast]

well I'm not trying to selectively block what real have achieved out, but 20 years is a good mark for measuring success in the recent history. it's longer than 10 years so removes the johnny-come-latelys but isn't long enough to allow dinosaurs of a bygone age to claim that they are still the shit based mostly on their past achievements.

I didn't start out to prove that barca had won more. I picked a time period and counted the trophies won during it. I actually thought it would be closer.

It's still selective thinking and statistics and good mark is based on personal view

 

[Hamzah]

i'd say this decade has been very close. there was early domination of the galactico's, while we were poor. we became better towards the middle of he decade and have won leagues and european cups.

however despite the domination from that point real still managed to win leagues.

EDIT: however if you consider the nineties then i agree meta, that is a good time scale to judge

 

[Abaddon]

Statistics will always tell you what you want them to tell if you torture them enough.

 

[Beast]

True

 

[Hamzah]

also even before the galacticos real did well in europe in the 90's when the likes of redondo were around. so it really is very close.

 

[zanela]

to be honest, it's bad enough what michael did in the 90's.
but you can almost excuse it, as it was a personal beef with cruyff.
but I'm pretty sure cruyff doesn't manage the FCB indoor team. so what's his excuse for that?
he's gone down in my estimation.

But, Meta tell me this...

He lives in Madrid, treated really well by all Madridistas, constantly persuaded to be involved in their events. On the other hand, the majority of the culés and our Board are totally not bothered about him. When was the last time our Board contacted him? Did they invite him to play for our indoor team? I'm sure he'd 've considered the offer. what do you expect him to do? Keep declaring he is a culé while he gets snubbed by those in Barcelona?
He was the greatest playmaker of his time and dare i say it, the most imp member of our Dream Team. How many titles did Cruyff win after the Dane's departure?
He wasn't treated well then and still isn't by us. If he had, he'd still be with us.

 

[Metaphysical]

It's still selective thinking and statistics and good mark is based on personal view

it is selective, true, but there's no bias involved. I've stated many times over WHY I chose that particular starting point.

I mean the argument of "oh we've won more trophies than you" that real and liverpool fans like to trot out is all well and good but how relevant is it? some of those trophies were won in a totally different era. ffs 6 of real's 9 european cups have that original tiny design!

I mean yes, factually, real have more trophies than barca, no one is denying that.

but is it relevant? in the last 20 years (recent history) barca has won considerably more than real. there's really no relevance when real madrid fans are dick-waving about success, because in terms of recent history real are inferior to barca.

to quote homer simpson:

"you're livin' in the past, marge, quit livin' in the past!"

 

[Nándor]

Take everything with a pinch of salt these days it's the day of the innocent so lots of fabricated news around the corner

AS is more realistic in their news compared to Marca Grand plans for FM manager with a cheat code

thanks Nando :beer2: Merry Christmas to you too & your family

i do actually, therefore my "day of the innocent price" goes to: david beckham + ronaldinho in exchange for kaká!!! hilarious

however, if you take a look at the players MARCA are talking about and AS, there is nothing new. apart from david luiz, amorebieta & rooney it's the usual suspects. and a lot of these names really make sense when you look at who's gonna leave/likely to leave

VDV, guti & gago out =>canales (left footed and blond at that) & fábregas in
benzago (maybe!!!) raul & ruud out/retirement => negredo & either david villa or agüero in
no left wing at all + drenthe out => ribéry & either david silva or mata in.
metzelder out of contract => amorebieta, david luiz, vidic or bruno alves in
LB problem => filipe luis

it actually makes sense that way...or at least it does to me???

thanks gio, christmas was nice...your opinion and points of view on the last 2 games very heavily missed

 

[Beast]

it is selective, true, but there's no bias involved. I've stated many times over WHY I chose that particular starting point.

I mean the argument of "oh we've won more trophies than you" that real and liverpool fans like to trot out is all well and good but how relevant is it? some of those trophies were won in a totally different era. ffs 6 of real's 9 european cups have that original tiny design!

I mean yes, factually, real have more trophies than barca, no one is denying that.

but is it relevant? in the last 20 years (recent history) barca has won considerably more than real. there's really no relevance when real madrid fans are dick-waving about success, because in terms of recent history real are inferior to barca.

to quote homer simpson:

"you're livin' in the past, marge, quit livin' in the past!"

when i say recent history in football i'll mean the last 10 years...

so yes it's selective based on you trying to reach a certain point , which is "hey look when i say 20 it will show we won more " irrelevant of "based on what " ..

not 30 and no 10 .. just 20 ...

so yeah your point of view in this travesty is ridiculous to say the least , not even a funny line of Simpson will make it better

 

[Hamzah]

perhaps 15 years woul be better because its not too soon or to old

 

[Nándor]

EDIT:

german papers claim bayern and real have reached a verbal agreement with regards to ribéry. he'll move to real in the summer for 50m € unless he renews with bayern. AS has something about that too.

 

[House of Flies]

Hoozah that means no Canales for you guys!