Real Madrid (old thread)

[barcelonista]

If you can't spot the difference between spending € 500 million within a few years and still going out to spend even more and signing Rivaldo for around € 20 million (his Valencia bicycle kick and hattrick that elevated us into the CL alone LITERALLY (CL money) was worth that), I can't help you. The issue here also isn't spending money on foreign players. Barcelona is a big club, one with the highest income. Naturally they will get some of the biggest names and spend big money. Even now, despite having the top 3 Ballon d'Or finalists from La Masia in the squad, money will be spent (Sanchez, Fabregas). This has NOTHING to do with the emphasis on own cantera players though. Real Madrid doesn't have this. Until today. Why develop players if you can splash big money at them (at the age of 29 or 19)? Mata was actually a Real Madrid youth product. Can you believe it?

This list also indicates that Real Madrid is in big trouble. They MUST buy young players now. As far as I know the new Financial Fair Play rules will also demand a certain number of own youth players being included in the squad of a football team. Assuming that the definition of "youth player" will be something like "players under 21 having played first team football with the club" or something like that, Real needs to buy now.

 

[Aryagorn]

City can play 'fair' with the new 'fair' play rules kicked in... so can Madrid too

 

[jamrock]

we spent a shit load in the late 90-10's largely on players that were no where as good as the players madrid bought when they bought them.

i mean overmans,saviola,Geovanni, Christanval OMG

that being said, madrid will not sign gotze, if a man utd/barca match their offer

 

[Beast]

If you can't spot the difference between spending € 500 million within a few years and still going out to spend even more and signing Rivaldo for around € 20 million (his Valencia bicycle kick and hattrick that elevated us into the CL alone LITERALLY (CL money) was worth that), I can't help you. The issue here also isn't spending money on foreign players. Barcelona is a big club, one with the highest income. Naturally they will get some of the biggest names and spend big money. Even now, despite having the top 3 Ballon d'Or finalists from La Masia in the squad, money will be spent (Sanchez, Fabregas). This has NOTHING to do with the emphasis on own cantera players though. Real Madrid doesn't have this. Until today. Why develop players if you can splash big money at them (at the age of 29 or 19)? Mata was actually a Real Madrid youth product. Can you believe it?

This list also indicates that Real Madrid is in big trouble. They MUST buy young players now. As far as I know the new Financial Fair Play rules will also demand a certain number of own youth players being included in the squad of a football team. Assuming that the definition of "youth player" will be something like "players under 21 having played first team football with the club" or something like that, Real needs to buy now.

If you don't know your club history no amount of posts will help you to do so.. u mention Rivaldo and forgot Petit, Overmars , Saviola , Quaresma..etc

I can go on but it's better that you read your own club history.. it will do you plenty of good than we can talk .. u didn't go into the red before Laporta by spending 20 Mil on Rivaldo ..

 

[Beast]

Troll somewhere else. In the early 20s we had Valdes, Reina, Navarro, Puyol, Sergio Garcia, Sergi, Gabri, Xavi, Iniesta and some more Barca B players in the squad who didn't quiet make it at the end (Daniel Tortolero). The emphasis on cantera players was there ever since Cruyff reformed La Masia. We never went out to splash all the money in the world for all the big names available in world football. Despite spending around half a billion Euros in the recent 2 years (Ronaldo + Di Maria + Xabi Alonso + Özil + Benzema + Kaka + Carvalho + Coentrao + Khedira) there is still a list of heavy name players Real Madrid wants to splash money at? Joke of a club. What kind of joy would a RM fan actually get from winning (or should I say "buying") trophies with this lot?

And Götze won't join RM. He already expressed that he always dreamed of playing in the Camp Nou. Unlike Özil, who did the same, Götze is a real charakter, having a highly educated background (his father is a professor). He doesn't need to grab the first best offer as Özil did, despite saying he sleeps in Blaugrana pyjamas before the transfer to Real Madrid happened. Götze's a far bigger talent and acknowledged as such world wide. He can play wherever he wants. And RM will naturally end up with the biggest cunt of them all: Hazard. Who will sit on the bench for Ronaldo and fuck of to Getafe a year later.

Lol.. at the names mentioned.. you forget the De Boer's , Reizger , Overmars, Petit, and the rest of the dead rubber.. all those names u mentioned were not even first team players

you are right you better go and troll somewhere else

Yesterday fans indeed

 

[AnfieldEd]

Lol.. at the names mentioned.. you forget the De Boer's , Reizger , Overmars, Petit, and the rest of the dead rubber.. all those names u mentioned were not even first team players

you are right you better go and troll somewhere else

Yesterday fans indeed

yes the Van Gaal era.......

 

[Raed]

Not only that, but the fact that they brought Ronaldinho, Deco, Edmilson, Gio, Guily, Eto'o, and Davids (to name a few) through their ranks is a remarkable feature, it helped them win the CL and league.

Listen, as a respect for your own academy, which is arguably the best in the world, don't talk shit just because you can. Because if you did not spend the money your academy would not be recognized, and your captain would have been playing in England, and Xavi would have been considered another Guti and Messi would be crying in his room.

You produced the best players in the world, and they have won everything there is to win, more than once. Its highly admirable, highly respected, its a beautiful generation and a golden point in history. But please, and with all due respect, don't talk a lot of shit. If Barcelona didn't spend money, its because they didn't have it. And when they did, they did spend it, which is why Laporta and his team worked so hard and now Rosell is trying to get the club out of debt, debt which is still on the records despite all the winnings. Or do you figure you got yourself in this situation? In fact your club spent money they didn't even have.

Again, what Barcelona have done is a remarkable thing, quite fascinating but its an exception not the rule. Sooner or later, your academy will not produce players, because you can only teach players so much but the talent you have at helm is naturally rare. So what will you do?

 

[IrvDizzle]

Again, what Barcelona have done is a remarkable thing, quite fascinating but its an exception not the rule. Sooner or later, your academy will not produce players, because you can only teach players so much but the talent you have at helm is naturally rare. So what will you do?

easy. advanced cloning techniques.

geez.

 

[woobie]

I still like Meta's assessment best.

 

[AnfieldEd]

Not only that, but the fact that they brought Ronaldinho, Deco, Edmilson, Gio, Guily, Eto'o, and Davids (to name a few) through their ranks is a remarkable feature, it helped them win the CL and league.

Listen, as a respect for your own academy, which is arguably the best in the world, don't talk shit just because you can. Because if you did not spend the money your academy would not be recognized, and your captain would have been playing in England, and Xavi would have been considered another Guti and Messi would be crying in his room.

You produced the best players in the world, and they have won everything there is to win, more than once. Its highly admirable, highly respected, its a beautiful generation and a golden point in history. But please, and with all due respect, don't talk a lot of shit. If Barcelona didn't spend money, its because they didn't have it. And when they did, they did spend it, which is why Laporta and his team worked so hard and now Rosell is trying to get the club out of debt, debt which is still on the records despite all the winnings. Or do you figure you got yourself in this situation? In fact your club spent money they didn't even have.

Again, what Barcelona have done is a remarkable thing, quite fascinating but its an exception not the rule. Sooner or later, your academy will not produce players, because you can only teach players so much but the talent you have at helm is naturally rare. So what will you do?

100% agree with you.

 

[El Gato]

I still like Meta's assessment best.

No wonder since Milan's producing days date back to the beginning of millenium as well

 

[woobie]

Nah, you guys were smelly doodooheads even back then. (you were okay in 1989 tho)

 

[La Furia]

Not only that, but the fact that they brought Ronaldinho, Deco, Edmilson, Gio, Guily, Eto'o, and Davids (to name a few) through their ranks is a remarkable feature, it helped them win the CL and league.

Listen, as a respect for your own academy, which is arguably the best in the world, don't talk shit just because you can. Because if you did not spend the money your academy would not be recognized, and your captain would have been playing in England, and Xavi would have been considered another Guti and Messi would be crying in his room.

You produced the best players in the world, and they have won everything there is to win, more than once. Its highly admirable, highly respected, its a beautiful generation and a golden point in history. But please, and with all due respect, don't talk a lot of shit. If Barcelona didn't spend money, its because they didn't have it. And when they did, they did spend it, which is why Laporta and his team worked so hard and now Rosell is trying to get the club out of debt, debt which is still on the records despite all the winnings. Or do you figure you got yourself in this situation? In fact your club spent money they didn't even have.

Again, what Barcelona have done is a remarkable thing, quite fascinating but its an exception not the rule. Sooner or later, your academy will not produce players, because you can only teach players so much but the talent you have at helm is naturally rare. So what will you do?

You can tell a lot of Barca fans only started following this team around 2006, which is not a bad thing but they should make some effort to look at history. I've only been following the sport for under a decade myself, yet I know better than to talk shit about these things because all you have to do is read fucking wikipedia to understand how these things are cyclical, and there will reach a point where La Masia will dry up. It happened to Ajax, happened to every English academy of note - as much resources as Barca's academy has, as many great scouts and teachers there are, there will reach a point where the Catalan talent pool dries out and Barca training techniques are no longer ahead of the curve.

You look at the great Barca teams in the past - there was usually one or two great homegrown guys - a Rexach, a Guardiola, etc, and the rest were bought from other Spanish clubs, and this was before the Bosman ruling when there was a cap on foreigners. If you look at the teams of the 80s and 90s, it was Real Madrid who was more successful at producing a homegrown core. I mean really, is what Barca has done any different than the Quinta del Buitre?

I love talking shit about Real Madrid, they are a scum club with nazi fans who have been slowly killing football with their greed, but lets be realistic, when it comes to player development, Barcelona isn't historically superior to them.

 

[AnfieldEd]

You can tell a lot of Barca fans only started following this team around 2006, which is not a bad thing but they should make some effort to look at history. I've only been following the sport for under a decade myself, yet I know better than to talk shit about these things because all you have to do is read fucking wikipedia to understand how these things are cyclical, and there will reach a point where La Masia will dry up. It happened to Ajax, happened to every English academy of note - as much resources as Barca's academy has, as many great scouts and teachers there are, there will reach a point where the Catalan talent pool dries out and Barca training techniques are no longer ahead of the curve.

You look at the great Barca teams in the past - there was usually one or two great homegrown guys - a Rexach, a Guardiola, etc, and the rest were bought from other Spanish clubs, and this was before the Bosman ruling when there was a cap on foreigners. If you look at the teams of the 80s and 90s, it was Real Madrid who was more successful at producing a homegrown core. I mean really, is what Barca has done any different than the Quinta del Buitre?

I love talking shit about Real Madrid, they are a scum club with nazi fans who have been slowly killing football with their greed, but lets be realistic, when it comes to player development, Barcelona isn't historically superior to them.

At last a Barca supporter with the correct attitude on and correct memory on this!

 

[Metaphysical]

You can tell a lot of Barca fans only started following this team around 2006, which is not a bad thing but they should make some effort to look at history. I've only been following the sport for under a decade myself, yet I know better than to talk shit about these things because all you have to do is read fucking wikipedia to understand how these things are cyclical, and there will reach a point where La Masia will dry up. It happened to Ajax, happened to every English academy of note - as much resources as Barca's academy has, as many great scouts and teachers there are, there will reach a point where the Catalan talent pool dries out and Barca training techniques are no longer ahead of the curve.

You look at the great Barca teams in the past - there was usually one or two great homegrown guys - a Rexach, a Guardiola, etc, and the rest were bought from other Spanish clubs, and this was before the Bosman ruling when there was a cap on foreigners. If you look at the teams of the 80s and 90s, it was Real Madrid who was more successful at producing a homegrown core. I mean really, is what Barca has done any different than the Quinta del Buitre?

I love talking shit about Real Madrid, they are a scum club with nazi fans who have been slowly killing football with their greed, but lets be realistic, when it comes to player development, Barcelona isn't historically superior to them.

you're conflating two separate points, one is right and one is wrong.

in the last 10 years, Barça has started to show the fruits of Cryuff's long-term strategy. the work of Rexach and Beniages is starting to be seen in the first-team. and now that we're on that carousel, I don't see us getting off. La Masia is producing high-quality players and will continue to do so. there's no reason the talent pool should "dry up" - that didn't happen to England; Heysel happened to England and they stood still for 5 years while European football had something of a renaissance thanks to Sacchi and a general improvement in coaching technique. so when the English emerged from Heysel, they found a landscape dominated by foreign imports and players with great technique. and so to catch-up they neglected their youth development and just brought in skilled foreigners from all over. but slowly, English coaching is catching up with the rest of Europe and this will be reflected more and more with each coming generation.

that's not what happened to Ajax either, the Bosman rule and the vastly increased earning power of Serie A (and La Liga, PL, BL, etc.) is what happened to Ajax. they were dwarfed financially and couldn't afford to keep the kids around for as long, or invest as much in them (but still produced the Sneijder-VDV-Zlatan generation) and unless the recession hits Spain like a Greece-level motherfucker, that won't happen to Barça, because now we know the power of the cantera and will continue to invest in it (see the brand spanking new state-of-the-art Masia we just opened). others may improve their youth coaching, for sure, but we'll always be ahead of the curve so long as we continue to invest. and thanks to the elections, we'll have to. no president could get away with neglecting La Masia and the cantera now. not after Pep.

however, you are correct that success is cyclical. and sooner or later we won't be winning as much. but that's an on-the-field issue, rather than one to do with youth development.