Ronald Koeman

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Nah, RK should be given another season. No manager can come in and fix this mess immediately. Rather have RK work on developing Pedri and the other youngsters more than someone to come in and start from scratch. By the way I don?t think we can even afford another manager

In the end we turn out to be on the same page. Our team isn't suffering for our coach. We simply have a handful of players that are subpar and will cost us in CL. Any team we face with quality attackers our defense won't be able to handle. That is the reality for now.

Busquets and Lenglet need to get replaced ASAFP.
 
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Potroh

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New manager will not come in with 2 months left to the season.

A new manager won't help in this case.
Barca needs to grasp that times changed and the contemporary high-class game is based on execution-speed and on speed as such.

Having the boring and absolutely counterproductive possession, even when the opponent is opened up, having twice as much slow passes as the winner opponent often has, leads nowhere anymore.
Giving safety passes and the like, getting forward only when the unnecessary passes are almost unbearable anymore, represent the past of this game.

The two central defenders are slow and clumsy, Busquests looks like a grandpa (with still considerable technique - but who cares), Griezmann is slow and exceptionally one-footed, not a good and reliable finisher at all, Pedri is really talented but his time comes in 2-3 years, nobody wants, dares or can shoot from a distance (Rakitic was at least brave and occasionally good in it), Dembele has no space because he always faces a solid stationary defense due to this outdated style, no player can serve Messi on his level needed, so essential problems are piling up.

A new coach will not be able to teach a modern, fast, effective and efficient game to this guys (who play the very same way against a 3rd league copa opponent), because for who knows how many years they have been told that mere possession is the "Barca style"...
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
We are in for one hell of a long transition. I mean it will take another three to four years before we are competitive at cl level again. That's minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if our next cl win is in 15 years.
I'm really starting to lose interest nowadays. Even during our barren period in the early 2000s I looked forward to cl and we were somewhat competitive. Nowadays we just get our asses handed to us on an annual basis. Lol
 

Richard.H

Senior Member
A new manager won't help in this case.
Barca needs to grasp that times changed and the contemporary high-class game is based on execution-speed and on speed as such.

Having the boring and absolutely counterproductive possession, even when the opponent is opened up, having twice as much slow passes as the winner opponent often has, leads nowhere anymore.
Giving safety passes and the like, getting forward only when the unnecessary passes are almost unbearable anymore, represent the past of this game.

The two central defenders are slow and clumsy, Busquests looks like a grandpa (with still considerable technique - but who cares), Griezmann is slow and exceptionally one-footed, not a good and reliable finisher at all, Pedri is really talented but his time comes in 2-3 years, nobody wants, dares or can shoot from a distance (Rakitic was at least brave and occasionally good in it), Dembele has no space because he always faces a solid stationary defense due to this outdated style, no player can serve Messi on his level needed, so essential problems are piling up.

A new coach will not be able to teach a modern, fast, effective and efficient game to this guys (who play the very same way against a 3rd league copa opponent), because for who knows how many years they have been told that mere possession is the "Barca style"...

Excellent post and something that the club has failed to understand since the end of Lucho's tenure. The game has simply changed and Barcelona has failed to adapt. In addition, the players we have now are nowhere near good enough to play "barca way" and still beat the likes of PSG's or City's of Europe. They are still very good, but not good enough to play their way and still beat CL teams. This isn't the Barca with the greatest midfield trio anymore.
 

Rassvet

Well-known member
Could be suitable, as we have become the Spanish Arsenal in Europe.

We're even worse than that. Arsenal came up against peak Barca and Bayern 6 times and were only humiliated once in the 10-2. We've lost 7 times by 3+ goals since 2017 in the CL against teams much worse than that.
 

Rassvet

Well-known member
Koeman should go this summer. For once, we should hire someone with no previous connection to the club or Barca DNA obsession.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
It doesn't matter who fucking comes as manager. These fucking senior players need to fuck off. Their loser mentality is infectious and will affect the younger players. Before that happens I want to see Messi, Coutinho, Pique, Alba, Busquets, Lenglet and fucking pretty boy Ter Stegen gone. I don't care if we have to play the entire B team. Just fuck these cunts off.

Lol young players like Dembele, Dest, Pedri, De Jong must have brillant game. They all suck this game.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
We are in for one hell of a long transition. I mean it will take another three to four years before we are competitive at cl level again. That's minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if our next cl win is in 15 years.
I'm really starting to lose interest nowadays. Even during our barren period in the early 2000s I looked forward to cl and we were somewhat competitive. Nowadays we just get our asses handed to us on an annual basis. Lol

UEFA Cup in 2003/04 must be very competitive lol.
 

Total-Football

Senior Member
A new manager won't help in this case.
Barca needs to grasp that times changed and the contemporary high-class game is based on execution-speed and on speed as such.

Having the boring and absolutely counterproductive possession, even when the opponent is opened up, having twice as much slow passes as the winner opponent often has, leads nowhere anymore.
Giving safety passes and the like, getting forward only when the unnecessary passes are almost unbearable anymore, represent the past of this game.

The two central defenders are slow and clumsy, Busquests looks like a grandpa (with still considerable technique - but who cares), Griezmann is slow and exceptionally one-footed, not a good and reliable finisher at all, Pedri is really talented but his time comes in 2-3 years, nobody wants, dares or can shoot from a distance (Rakitic was at least brave and occasionally good in it), Dembele has no space because he always faces a solid stationary defense due to this outdated style, no player can serve Messi on his level needed, so essential problems are piling up.

A new coach will not be able to teach a modern, fast, effective and efficient game to this guys (who play the very same way against a 3rd league copa opponent), because for who knows how many years they have been told that mere possession is the "Barca style"...

Any theory as to why tiki taka died?
My theory is that that was a new revolutionary way of making the opponents tired (especially second halves) because of the amount of running opponent have to run.
But, with the advent of coaches like mourinho and especially especially Simone (later on klopp) players nowadays are conditioned to run after those empty passes for eternity without even running out of stamina.. I noticed that especially vs atletico madrid (at least klopps teams have some possession) They just chase the ball with intensity until the final whistle, no problem.
In my opinion, the seniors of barca since they are dinosaurs who failed/refused to adapt, somehow still aim to make empty endless passes "to make opponents run". As one sees its literally useless now.. Anyway that's what I think.
 

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