Ronald Koeman

[vegitot]

Recently...
Yes, after 10 years of being the top of the top of coaches and having won every trophy there is.

Stop twisting what I said.
I never said stay 10 years without a trophy just for the sake of style, and become Arsenal.

You want to judge a coach be looking ONLY at the trophies he won.
That means you like someone like Mourinho from 10 years back. And yet Laporta, who knows the values of this club, rejected him when he was the top of the top.

'The winner takes it all' no matter how he won is a mentality that belongs to Juve or Utd.
I suppose you were supper happy with Valverde, right?
Fans like you do not belong to Barca.
Find another club to support

Sorry you have no right to tell me or anyone to do what you say.

Just quote what Pep said. He said there is no such thing called project for a manager. Only win or lose. Nothing to do with 10 years or 100 years.

Pep could win with style because he is a genius plus the golden generation. Not everytime you will have that in your life.

Even Messi stressed two years ago how people like you thought Laliga is shit, now you are crying for it.

 

[Birdy]

Sorry you have no right to tell me or anyone to do what you say.

Just quote what Pep said. He said there is no such thing called project for a manager. Only win or lose. Nothing to do with 10 years or 100 years.

Pep could win with style because he is a genius plus the golden generation. Not everytime you will have that in your life.

Even Messi stressed two years ago how people like you thought Laliga is shit, now you are crying for it.

And i quoted what he said BEFORE he won any trophy at top level, WHEN he first becaome Barca coach.

What makes you think his recent statement reflects anything relevant to the argument?

You want Koeman to get sacked IF he fails to win LaLiga, BECAUSE he didn't win any trophy.
And I am saying simple that Mentality is NOT a Barca mentality.
And there is no better proof than Pep's statement WHEN he was given the opportunity to coach Barca for the first time


Deal with it

 

[vegitot]

And i quoted what he said BEFORE he won any trophy at top level, WHEN he first becaome Barca coach.

What makes you think his recent statement reflects anything relevant to the argument?

You want Koeman to get sacked IF he fails to win LaLiga, BECAUSE he didn't win any trophy.
And I am saying simple that Mentality is NOT a Barca mentality.
And there is no better proof than Pep's statement WHEN he was given the opportunity to coach Barca for the first time


Deal with it

Read your own post when you quoted me. I already said a big team like Barca, it is about win or lose. And Pep did said something like that recently. Also Laporta. Your Pep quote from 12 years ago is nonsense to what i said.

Even then people would not have talked about Barca 08/09 if Chelsea had won in semi final which they deserved more. And Pep worst Barca season, is also the season he only won Copa del rey. Result comes first.

Read again, i never said Koeman should be sacked next season. You seem to have a problem with your eyes.

And not winning tittle is also something no big club in the world want. Including Barcelona.

 

[Windhook]

Koeman fucked up, because he had faith in players who weren't up to the task. Umtiti, Roberto, Ilaix. No idea even why Pique decided he's back to his 2010 form and went back and forth between CB and CF after 60th minute. All he did was to ruin one brilliant pass to FDJ on the open.

After sleeping on last night's game I think this defeat happened for good at the right moment. There is still time to fix things, just hope there are no more injuries or yellow card bans for the players. Koeman will miss the Atleti game on the bench, that's bad. 2 game ban for saying: "What a character?" is too harsh.

 

[Porque]

Koeman fucked up, because he had faith in players who weren't up to the task. Umtiti, Roberto, Ilaix. No idea even why Pique decided he's back to his 2010 form and went back and forth between CB and CF after 60th minute. All he did was to ruin one brilliant pass to FDJ on the open.

This. Araujo should have come on. It was painful seeing headers drop to Umtiti and Pique. Araujo has a knack of always finding the ball on attacks.

 

[Windhook]

Yeah, I'm also on the opinion Araujo should start every game from now on until the end of the season.

 

[Birdy]

Read your own post when you quoted me. I already said a big team like Barca, it is about win or lose. And Pep did said something like that recently. Also Laporta. Your Pep quote from 12 years ago is nonsense to what i said.

Even then people would not have talked about Barca 08/09 if Chelsea had won in semi final which they deserved more. And Pep worst Barca season, is also the season he only won Copa del rey. Result comes first.

Read again, i never said Koeman should be sacked next season. You seem to have a problem with your eyes.

And not winning tittle is also something no big club in the world want. Including Barcelona.

Some reading comprehension problems there... You seem to ignore all the modal operators I am using, like ONLY, SOME, ALL, JUST, NOT...

I said that top clubs should always aim at winning titles, and NOT JUST style of play like Arsenal.
But I also said that SOME clubs, like Barca do NOT ONLY aim at titles, BUT ALSO at style of play.
So Barca aims BOTH at titles AND style of play.
Juve, for example, on the contrary aimed - until recently - ONLY at titles and NOT at a style of play.

Why is it so difficult to understand?
Or it is just you willingly attempting to distort what I am writing just so to make your point valid?

As for Pep, yes he has the confidence NOW that he knows he is the best coach in the world to say that.
When he was first training Barca he EXPLICITLY refrained from promising titles, but only promised style of play.

And you know Pep would not have been sacked even if he had won 0 trophies in 2009, and the reason is the football he installed.
Don't hide behind the bush

 

[Zebulun]

Sorry this team overachieved and Koeman always seems to find new ways of shooting himself in the foot. for the most part i was on the fence with him but now i'm team #koemanout.

 

[vegitot]

Some reading comprehension problems there... You seem to ignore all the modal operators I am using, like ONLY, SOME, ALL, JUST, NOT...

I said that top clubs should always aim at winning titles, and NOT JUST style of play like Arsenal.
But I also said that SOME clubs, like Barca do NOT ONLY aim at titles, BUT ALSO at style of play.
So Barca aims BOTH at titles AND style of play.
Juve, for example, on the contrary aimed - until recently - ONLY at titles and NOT at a style of play.

Why is it so difficult to understand?
Or it is just you willingly attempting to distort what I am writing just so to make your point valid?

As for Pep, yes he has the confidence NOW that he knows he is the best coach in the world to say that.
When he was first training Barca he EXPLICITLY refrained from promising titles, but only promised style of play.

And you know Pep would not have been sacked even if he had won 0 trophies in 2009, and the reason is the football he installed.
Don't hide behind the bush

Don't know what you are trying to show. Just read my post a few pages ago. Now don't close your eyes.

What Pep said recently has nothing to do with what Pep said in 2008. You try so hard to twist what Pep quote :" No such thing called project" to deny that fact. Pep himself thinks that.

Pep would not have been sacked if he had failed to win Liga or UCL in his first season, just like what happened at City because of his football. But there is no way Koeman has a football that near Pep level. Not even close a bit.

You will hate it but result is what Laporta and players want. Feel disrespected, Arsenal is opened for you or maybe teams in SA.

And please show me when i said Koeman should be sacked.

 

[Richard.H]

It's still weird to me how he willingly destroyed what he created. He created great players out of all of those youngsters but then drops them for the seniors (who have barely played this season) at the most crucial matches. It shows that he does not trust youth that much.

 

[Windhook]

It's still weird to me how he willingly destroyed what he created. He created great players out of all of those youngsters but then drops them for the seniors (who have barely played this season) at the most crucial matches. It shows that he does not trust youth that much.

I guess he wasn't convinced they have the experience to play under such pressure for the top spot in La Liga. Whoever the opponent was, even Real Oviedo, Koeman would've still played Umtiti.

 

[xXKonan]

So to answer that you play guys who clearly can no longer handle the pressure despite being Veterans.

Genius.

 

[Messigician]

It's still weird to me how he willingly destroyed what he created. He created great players out of all of those youngsters but then drops them for the seniors (who have barely played this season) at the most crucial matches. It shows that he does not trust youth that much.

Don't be fooled.

He play them because of injuries nothing else.

Valverde only one with eye for talent. Only manager to watch B team games since Pep and instantly picked out Araujo, Fati as world beaters while dumping the rest

 

[soul24rage]

Honestly, Koeman deserved to be sent off just for playing Umtiti and Bob as a WB.

 

[Birdy]

Why not pick the simple answer, and fashion some high-order speculative explanation behind Koeman's motives, like how players can handle pressure, which is unlikely to be true.

When there is a simpler answer, it's more likely to be the case.
The simplest answer here is Rotation.
Koeman made 3 changes in Illaix, Umtiti and Roberto to rest some players and rotate a bit.
If every one of us looked at the schedule beforehand, you would agree that 'on paper' the easiest of the next 4 is Granada at home.
So it was the safest game theoretically to rotate a bit.

It backfired, but that's a different story.

Pep would not have been sacked if he had failed to win Liga or UCL in his first season, just like what happened at City because of his football. But there is no way Koeman has a football that near Pep level. Not even close a bit.

You will hate it but result is what Laporta and players want. Feel disrespected, Arsenal is opened for you or maybe teams in SA.

And please show me when i said Koeman should be sacked.

You did not say that, but you built on a pseudo-argument that attempts to discredit the work he has done thus far, and has at its front the 'results' line.
That's why I asked you If you were happy with Valverde or not.
To know whether you care only about results.

About quality of football:
Man City in Pep's first year was not that spectacular and had many holes in their play.
If City's hierarchy followed lines like the one you are defending here, they should have sacked him.
But they trusted him, and in his second year not only results came, but football played skyrocketed.
Same at Barca. 08/09 saw a phenomenal increase in quality of football played, but then it become even better the following years.

Now, it's the first time since 2016 that I like the football this team plays.
And that's a looooooong time, 5 years or so. That's too much for a club like Barca, which unlike other top clubs, does NOT care about results ONLY.
And that's on Koeman and the work he has done together his team of assistants.
Give the credit where it's due.

It's hard to win by playing good football, and it takes much more time to do it