Ronald Koeman

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

The dude is starting Busi even when there's nothing to play for. Just sack him already, put him out of his misery.

and still leaves Puig on the bench....

 

[BarcaOG]

Chelsea sacked Lampard for one of the top-10, if not top-5 coach atm.
We can't do the same because they are all employed.

Then, I disagree with all the rest.
Koeman improved the ruins he received last summer by miles.
We have the best attacking production compared to all teams in Europe.
Let's not open this case again.

IMO Koeman goes only IF there is one of the top-5 or top-10 coach available to take over.
Only for Pep, Klopp, Pochetino, Nagelsman, Flick and a couple others.
Nothing less.
IF not, he stays put

There is no club in the world (of the elite, CL-chasing ones) which would grant Koeman another year based on his results against top opposition (basically all losses). And the only reason he hasn't been sacked yet is because of his historical connection to the club. If he were a Setien-type figure (they are both mediocre managers) he would be long gone.

By keeping EV for 3 years despite his CL calamities and Koeman for two despite even worse results Barecelona is basically saying that failure (and humiliation) is acceptable. You think that shit would fly at Bayern? No: that's the Arsenal way--and it isn't at all where we should be heading as a club.

 

[Birdy]

Boy you are something special. So Koeman improved us by going backwards and having our worst Liga and CL run over the past 10 years. Furthermore, this guy still has no idea how to set-up the team, who he must start or how to rotate or make changes.

Just go back at watching xG charts or something, you are out of your depth.

I would love you to show how he went 'backwards'
He went backwards by turning a dis-functional attack that EV had molded into the best attack in Europe?
Sure mate
But no, you cannot analyze anything, you just reproduce tons of cliches

Besides, I wonder why are you watching football then?
Just read the results only, and look the table position at the end of the season.
You don't need anything else

There is no club in the world (of the elite, CL-chasing ones) which would grant Koeman another year based on his results against top opposition (basically all losses). And the only reason he hasn't been sacked yet is because of his historical connection to the club. If he were a Setien-type figure (they are both mediocre managers) he would be long gone.

By keeping EV for 3 years despite his CL calamities and Koeman for two despite even worse results Barecelona is basically saying that failure (and humiliation) is acceptable. You think that shit would fly at Bayern? No: that's the Arsenal way--and it isn't at all where we should be heading as a club.

You have to infuse some historical perspective into this reading.
Results alone against top opposition don't mean shit.
You have to see from where he took the team, and where the team is now.
Did he inherit some top opposition winning machine that he destroyed?

There is so much goldfish memory in this forum.
Go back to August 2020 and remember how things were then

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

Get out!

 

[Messigician]

0 shots without Messi lmfao.

Valverde had us top of the league with an injured Messi and Suarez for 3 months playing bums like Rafinha.

Put some respect on EV name

 

[BarcaOG]

I would love you to show how he went 'backwards'
He went backwards by turning a dis-functional attack that EV had molded into the best attack in Europe?
Sure mate
But no, you cannot analyze anything, you just reproduce tons of cliches

Besides, I wonder why are you watching football then?
Just read the results only, and look the table position at the end of the season.
You don't need anything else




You have to infuse some historical perspective into this reading.
Results alone against top opposition don't mean shit.
You have to see from where he took the team, and where the team is now.
Did he inherit some top opposition winning machine that he destroyed?

There is so much goldfish memory in this forum.
Go back to August 2020 and remember how things were then

I don't exactly see how we're better now. Sure, our football is more attractive, but:
1) no league...again
2) CL humiliation and R16 exit...again (and a first)
3) cant beat direct rivals and loses must-win matches against mediocre teams at home

how exactly is that better than where we were in august? we are no closer to either the league or the CL, and are probably worse off.

 

[Birdy]

I don't exactly see how we're better now. Sure, our football is more attractive, but:
1) no league...again
2) CL humiliation and R16 exit...again (and a first)
3) cant beat direct rivals and loses must-win matches against mediocre teams at home

how exactly is that better than where we were in august? we are no closer to either the league or the CL, and are probably worse off.

We are in transition.
No demands for LaLiga +CL until we build the new team.
If it happens, fine but no demands

About the CL knock-outs and must-wins at home, sure there is a mentality problem.
And it has been here for some while.
Koeman not even remotely responsible for that.

 

[BarcaOG]

We are in transition.
No demands for LaLiga +CL until we build the new team.
If it happens, fine but no demands

About the CL knock-outs and must-wins at home, sure there is a mentality problem.
And it has been here for some while.
Koeman not even remotely responsible for that.

In Pep's first, 'transition' year, we wont the sextuple. That's a lame excuse. Same with Flick's. Same with Tuchel's. Elite managers dont 'need' transitional periods. They either succeed or they do not.

Koeman is responsible for the team's results as long as he is manager. EV was responsible for his, etc. To say that he is blameless for losing 1-4 at home to PSG is the worst kind of apologism.

Look at Koeman's coaching career. His abysmal results at Barca are perfectly consistent with his other (non) achievements elsewhere. He is not fit to coach this club and the evidence is entirely against it.

 

[KingLeo10]

Pep's 08/09 team was 100 times more talented than this team.

I'm not a fan of Koeman but when it comes to outlandish "logic", there's no one who tops you.

 

[BarcaOG]

Pep's 08/09 team was 100 times more talented than this team.

I'm not a fan of Koeman but when it comes to outlandish "logic", there's no one who tops you.

silly insect, hardly surprising you misunderstand my point

barca should be coached by elite managers who deliver results without relying on excuses. hence me mentioning pep, tuchel, and flick. of course pep's team was more talented--did i claim otherwise? did i say this team is up for a sextuple? no. reading comprehension fail from the village idiot again

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Pep's 08/09 team was 100 times more talented than this team.

I'm not a fan of Koeman but when it comes to outlandish "logic", there's no one who tops you.

Well, i dont see logic when you posts about Ronaldo though....

 

[BarcaOG]

Well, i dont see logic when you posts about Ronaldo though....

because there isnt any. man isnt exactly bright

 

[Birdy]

In Pep's first, 'transition' year, we wont the sextuple. That's a lame excuse. Same with Flick's. Same with Tuchel's. Elite managers dont 'need' transitional periods. They either succeed or they do not.

Koeman is responsible for the team's results as long as he is manager. EV was responsible for his, etc. To say that he is blameless for losing 1-4 at home to PSG is the worst kind of apologism.

Look at Koeman's coaching career. His abysmal results at Barca are perfectly consistent with his other (non) achievements elsewhere. He is not fit to coach this club and the evidence is entirely against it.

Invalid comparisons.
Pep took a WC squad, same with Flick at Bayern.
Koeman took up a washed up squad.

Then again, not fair to judge Koeman by his past.
He has been much better this season that his previous jobs

 

[KingLeo10]

silly insect, hardly surprising you misunderstand my point

barca should be coached by elite managers who deliver results without relying on excuses. hence me mentioning pep, tuchel, and flick. of course pep's team was more talented--did i claim otherwise? did i say this team is up for a sextuple? no. reading comprehension fail from the village idiot again

You're well aware of the immense discrepancy in Pep's team and this team when it comes to talent (making any formal comparison null and void) yet you mention him as the first of your examples.

"Academic".

 

[kattanib]

silly insect, hardly surprising you misunderstand my point

barca should be coached by elite managers who deliver results without relying on excuses. hence me mentioning pep, tuchel, and flick. of course pep's team was more talented--did i claim otherwise? did i say this team is up for a sextuple? no. reading comprehension fail from the village idiot again

For example how Greece won the the Euro Cup .. you play with what you have .. but then we get us a Valverde situation