KingLeo10
Senior Member
I like how you revert to being the weasel that you are and take shots at me the moment you see BarcaOG responding to me.
Don't you have any shame, dawg?
Ronald Koeman
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I like how you revert to being the weasel that you are and take shots at me the moment you see BarcaOG responding to me.
Don't you have any shame, dawg?
BarcaOG
Banned
it isnt an invalid comparison when what is being compared is managerial ability and not squad talent. i never claimed this team is anywhere near those other ones--i only noted that the 'transition' period argument isnt very strong because better managers do not rely on them
how is it unfair to judge K or anyone by their past? there's literally nothing else to judge someone by than by their results. even if we forget his pre-barca results, his past IN barcelona this past year does not recommend that he is fit to manage this team. your argument rests on suppositions about what might or could happen if this and that. its all speculation. my argument rests on the indisputable evidence that is this man's sorry record as our manager. i dont see how you think you have the upper hand
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
I like how you revert to being the weasel that you are and take shots at me the moment you see BarcaOG responding to me.
Don't you have any shame, dawg?
LOL you are seeing things which arent there.
BarcaOG
Banned
dont mind him fati he is the forum's annoying poop-eating fly
KingLeo10
Senior Member
Birdy
Senior Member
Again, some perspective: He took over a team that lost the league to a bad RM, and exited through an 8-2 the CL.
That's your strating point. Not pep or any of the great Barca teams of the past.
Then, he took over a washed up squad full of veteran.
You have to pay proper attention to the above, or else your argument is totally invalid.
Sorry record in what? Losing the league? or exiting against PSG in CL?
But see what's your starting position above.
And then, there is improvement in at least 2 very important aspects:
1) He made this stingy and sterile team in attack (after many Valverde seasons) have the best attacking output in Europe.
2) He introduced so many youngsters as basic wheels of the team, which is what we need in transition.
We are the only team, along with AC Milan, giving so many minutes to u-21 and u-25
BarcaOG
Banned
There are points worth going over here so I'll try to do so somewhat thoroughly.
Yes. Your argument depends on whether where we are now as opposed to that 'starting point' is an improvement. I don't think so.
1) We still lost the league to an Atleti team that let a 10 point advantage slip away and nearly lost it to another bad RM. Not an improvement.
2) We exited the CL at an earlier stage than last season at the receiving end of a 5-2 result that included a 1-4 humiliation at home. Not an improvement.
You are right that his football is better than EV's, but that isn't saying much because EV set the bar very very low. The same could be said of Setien but no body here wanted him to continue. And Setien, like K, performed very poorly in the league despite the better football. The squad of 'washed up veterans' you say he motivated lost twice against Real (which hadn't happened for god knows how many years) and drew and lost against Atleti. The onus is on you to explain why losing that many points against direct rivals is somehow not a clear indicator of K's terrible coaching. On the other end of the spectrum, the 'washed up veterans' couldn't win must-win games against weaker teams, either: i.e. Granada and Levante. Or do you think that losing against both strong and weak teams is acceptable?
The only thing he has going for him is his commitment to youth. I'll happily grant you that. But he has overplayed Pedri and underused Puig, so the record there isn't flawless either.
At the end of the day Barca is an elite club however that should compete for LL and the CL. Under K, we dropped both. That is the standard against which he should be judged. If this were Real/Chelsea/Bayern, he would be sacked. Why should we communicate to the world that failure here is tolerable?
Koeman: "For me, this squad doesn't have the level we want at Barca. That’s clear, a lot of people at the club know that. The team needs to be greatly improved."
Koeman: "This season wasn't the best, but it's not bad. You cannot ask for a double from a team that is in transition."
Koeman: "This season wasn't the best, but it's not bad. You cannot ask for a double from a team that is in transition."
Lets see how this summer goes .. hopefully for the best. We either stick with Koeman and get his players our we go all out and get a proper manager
jairzinho
Senior Member
BarcaOG
Banned
the lack of self awareness, lol. EDITED FOR TRUTH:
For me, this squad doesn't have the coaching we want at Barca. That's clear, a lot of people know that.
te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
Clealy trying to save face while bottled the crucial games with weird decisions and selection. The league was in our hands. Koeman doesn't deserve to continue after showing what he did.
malvolio
Senior Member
La Liga last season we scored 86, conceded 38. This season we scored 85, conceded 38.
Wow, much progress, tremendous attacking team. Great progress by Koeman, finishing with 1 less goal, 3 points less and 1 position below last season. So all in all we were shittier than a team that changed to a poorer manager mid-season.
You are living in a dream world lad. Go back and analyse some more.
xXKonan
Senior Member
Koeman said yesterday that he and the team demanded respect, only for him to say This squad doesn't have the level we want at Barca today.
It's true this squad isn't great but it's ironic the guy rushed to play Pique and Roberto when they were remotely fit and nowhere near good enough to play in the crucial part of the season. Guy basically sabotaged what made things finally click.
It's true this squad isn't great but it's ironic the guy rushed to play Pique and Roberto when they were remotely fit and nowhere near good enough to play in the crucial part of the season. Guy basically sabotaged what made things finally click.
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