Ronald Koeman

[vegitot]

Would continue with Koeman if some names above are next coach.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Would continue with Koeman if some names above are next coach.

Exactly! Let's wait for a better coach than sign mediocre one for long-term.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Arteta dawg

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Would continue with Koeman if some names above are next coach.

Agree if he can treat Puig fairly....

 

[malvolio]

Exactly! Let's wait for a better coach than sign mediocre one for long-term.

there is no long-term at barca, real, bayern, chelsea, city, psg. either you deliver or you don't.

why should we give koeman another season, when we've seen his level?

 

[BarcaOG]

i mean yeah, K is right that our squad is shit. what he forgot to mention is that he, too, is not barca quality

 

[BarcaOG]

there is no long-term at barca, real, bayern, chelsea, city, psg. either you deliver or you don't.

why should we give koeman another season, when we've seen his level?

couldnt agree more. K has had SO MANY chances to show he can do the job and, the cup final aside (which was Messi's brilliant performance), he has failed every single time. there is no sign he will get any better, and what will end up happening if we keep K is that after we inevitably lose to Atleti and Real in Sept-Nov of next season, well have to sack him anyway and the season will be in disarray. better sack him now and try something different

 

[Altomonte]

best attacking output, yet we are on same numbers as last season. when will people realize that we win leagues when we hit closer to 100 goals, not between 80 and 90?

also, we concede around 30 every season. true, it is better to not approach 40 conceded goals, but we won leagues with that record also.

so stop it with this theory that we were best in attacking as it doesn't mean anything if the numbers are not what they should be.

I just looked at the YE numbers of the 20 top teams across the Spanish, English, Italian, German, and French leagues.
Best attacking teams:
Bayern (99)
Atalanta (90)
Inter Milan (89)
PSG (86)
Bar?a (85)
Man City (83)

Atletico M and Real M are both far behind, in 14'th place, with only 67 goals scored.
Bayern is by far the best attacking team, and two Italian teams are ahead of Bar?a, but not by much.

Defense:
Lille (23)
Atletico M (25)
Real M (28)
PSG (28)
Red Bull Leipzig 32)
Man City (32)
Sevilla (33)
Inter M (35)
Chelsea (36)
Wolfsburg (37)
Bar?a (38)

Conclusions:
Winning League titles requires good defenses. Lille won the French title despite scoring 22 goals less than PSG!
Bayern could win despite poor defensive numbers (44 goals conceded!) because of dominating offense (scored 24 more than Borussia Dortmund)
Man City placed #6 in both attack and defense across Europe, but #1 in both categories in England.
Bar?a scored 18 more goals than both Atletico and Real M, but conceded too many goals to win La Liga.
Interesting comparison Bar?a - Juventus:
Bar?a scored 8 more goals than Juve, both conceded 38.

 

[malvolio]

I just looked at the YE numbers of the 20 top teams across the Spanish, English, Italian, German, and French leagues.
Best attacking teams:
Bayern (99)
Atalanta (90)
Inter Milan (89)
PSG (86)
Bar?a (85)
Man City (83)

Atletico M and Real M are both far behind, in 14'th place, with only 67 goals scored.
Bayern is by far the best attacking team, and two Italian teams are ahead of Bar?a, but not by much.

Defense:
Lille (23)
Atletico M (25)
Real M (28)
PSG (28)
Red Bull Leipzig 32)
Man City (32)
Sevilla (33)
Inter M (35)
Chelsea (36)
Wolfsburg (37)
Bar?a (38)

Conclusions:
Winning League titles requires good defenses. Lille won the French title despite scoring 22 goals less than PSG!
Bayern could win despite poor defensive numbers (44 goals conceded!) because of dominating offense (scored 24 more than Borussia Dortmund)
Man City placed #6 in both attack and defense across Europe, but #1 in both categories in England.
Bar?a scored 18 more goals than both Atletico and Real M, but conceded too many goals to win La Liga.

mate, don't compare with other leagues. compare to previous la ligas. that's what i was trying to point out.

in la liga it's the attack that wins it. that's why barca and real usually win it, despite conceding more goals than atletico every season.

also look specifically at our numbers over the last 10 years. closer to 100 goals and you are champion.

 

[Altomonte]

mate, don't compare with other leagues. compare to previous la ligas. that's what i was trying to point out.

in la liga it's the attack that wins it. that's why barca and real usually win it, despite conceding more goals than atletico every season.

also look specifically at our numbers over the last 10 years. closer to 100 goals and you are champion.

Agreed- but the current attacking out put would have been good enough with a more stable defense, and a reliable and fit GK.
Anyway, if Laporta looks at those numbers and has a vision of playing attractive football, his choices of Coach would by Flick or Pep. Actually, Koeman did not perform too badly (or was it still the Messi effect?)

 

[mc_lovin]

Our attack was a dysfunctional mess despite the numbers, which were probably down to Messi. And it showed in every big game we played this season. Doesn't mean the defense had an excuse though, both need fixing.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Our attack was a dysfunctional mess despite the numbers - probably down to Messi. And it showed in every big game we played this season. Doesn't mean the defense had an excuse though, both need fixing.

Lets be honest, beside Messi nobody scores regulary. Dembele and Braithwhite have been absymal. Griezmann was decent.

 

[Birdy]

LOL bayern would never buy such a finished player, seems like a fake source

He does not play at chelsea either ahead of any of Kante Kovasic, Jorginho.

Only at PSG he can rotate Paredes a little bit. Still, Paredes will start important games.

He is a finished player. One of the worst swaps ever

 

[Birdy]

mate, don't compare with other leagues. compare to previous la ligas. that's what i was trying to point out.

in la liga it's the attack that wins it. that's why barca and real usually win it, despite conceding more goals than atletico every season.

also look specifically at our numbers over the last 10 years. closer to 100 goals and you are champion.

It's as wrong as to compare the goal tally of previous LaLigas, going back to the golden years of Pep, or Lucho, when the 100/100+ goals was a feasible goal, and a yearly routine

 

[malvolio]

It's as wrong as to compare the goal tally of previous LaLigas, going back to the golden years of Pep, or Lucho, when the 100/100+ goals was a feasible goal, and a yearly routine

Didn't say 100 should be the norm. But something like over 90 should be. Also, we had the same output last season, where are these praises for Koeman attacking football coming from? We were as good or shit as the team last season. A team that changed managers mid-season.

A team that has Messi firing 30 goals a season should be able to hit higher numbers, unless you are Koeman or Setien.