Ronald Koeman

[Birdy]

Didn't say 100 should be the norm. But something like over 90 should be. Also, we had the same output last season, where are these praises for Koeman attacking football coming from? We were as good or shit as the team last season. A team that changed managers mid-season.

Why are you coming back to this poor claim?
Coach's job: tactical set up so as to create chances
Players' job: finish off their chances

AGAIN: last season we scored 78 non-penalty goals from an attacking game that created in total 61.9 expected non-penalty goals.
this season we scored 76 non penalty goals, from an attacking game that created in total 72.6 expected non-penalty goals.

So, last season our attackers (Messi first and foremost) over-performed massively to even reach 78 goals.
This season they didn't finish as well as they could.

 

[malvolio]

Why are you coming back to this poor claim?
Coach's job: tactical set up so as to create chances
Players' job: finish off their chances

AGAIN: last season we scored 78 non-penalty goals from an attacking game that created in total 61.9 expected non-penalty goals.
this season we scored 76 non penalty goals, from an attacking game that created in total 72.6 expected non-penalty goals.

So, last season our attackers (Messi first and foremost) over-performed massively to even reach 78 goals.
This season they didn't finish as well as they could.

Because xG doesn't mean shit and can't predict shit?

 

[Birdy]

Just visit any football website these days that tries to analyze anything.
You will see xG and alll other xmetrics behind any analysis.

For instance, I was just browsing here a piece on Atleti this season.
xG behind the analysis.

But no, in the Barcaforum word, who knows better than coaches and whole data analytics departments of clubs, xG does not mean shit

 

[malvolio]

Just visit any football website these days that tries to analyze anything.
You will see xG and alll other xmetrics behind any analysis.

For instance, I was just browsing here a piece on Atleti this season.
xG behind the analysis.

But no, in the Barcaforum word, who knows better than coaches and whole data analytics departments of clubs, xG does not mean shit

Call me old fashioned but I didn't need xG to predict at the beginning of the season that Braithwaite is shit, Griezmann is not a natural goalscorer, Dembele is dumb and Messi is Messi.

 

[vegitot]

Called me old fashioned but I didn't need xG to predict at the beginning of the season that Braithwaite is shit, Griezmann is not a natural goalscorer, Dembele is dumb and Messi is Messi.

Barca would have won overall at Anfield by xG. But you never hear Birdy talk about it.

 

[BarcaOG]

Just visit any football website these days that tries to analyze anything.
You will see xG and alll other xmetrics behind any analysis.

For instance, I was just browsing here a piece on Atleti this season.
xG behind the analysis.

But no, in the Barcaforum word, who knows better than coaches and whole data analytics departments of clubs, xG does not mean shit

blah blah blah xstats are arm chair analysts fantasy tools to pretend that the concrete world of facts is something other than reality let us remember Lewa has a worse xg than H-M Son

seriously mate drop the fantasy and look at the empirical results. we are as bad, and slightly worse, than we were last year. if you're really going with the 'managers develop tactics and determine line ups' then you better start speaking up for Setien

 

[BarcaOG]

Barca would have won overall at Anfield by xG. But you never hear Birdy talk about it.

LMAO, there is no better debunking of xstats if that is true

 

[vegitot]

LMAO, there is no better debunking of xstats if that is true

Fun fact: Tottenham had higher xG than Bayern in their 2-7 lost.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Barca would have won overall at Anfield by xG. But you never hear Birdy talk about it.

LOL

 

[BarcaOG]

Fun fact: Tottenham had higher xG than Bayern in their 2-7 lost.

LMAO unbelievable.... xstats are a huge pile of fail

watch the cultists try to salvage it with an even more obscure (and further removed from reality) metric: expected xstats, or xxstats

 

[vegitot]

LMAO, there is no better debunking of xstats if that is true

Total two legs: Barca 3.9 - Liverpool 3.8

 

[vegitot]

LMAO unbelievable.... xstats are a huge pile of fail

watch the cultists try to salvage it with an even more obscure (and further removed from reality) metric: expected xstats, or xxstats

Xstats are cool but Birdy overuses it too much.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Xstats are cool but Birdy overuses it too much.

think the same, they are a good indicator for analysing matches but your examples proof that birdy overrate them

 

[jairzinho]

Just imagine scenes here if Mikel 'midtable' Arteta takes over.

 

[BarcaOG]

my problem with xstats is when they are used as an argumentative crutch to ignore concrete results and to pretend that reality is otherwise. other than that, they are a neat little tool.