Samuel Umtiti

[Sorin]

If this is supposed to be some sort of "iconic performance" then I don't even know what to say. He was barely faced with serious opposition in this video. Umtiti at 24 is far superior to what Pique has ever been. It's just the truth.

Are you serious?

Btw thanks for proving that you didn't watch the games. Not serious oposition? We played more than one half in 10 after Mascherano was sent off. Sevilla were barelling over us over and over again, but Pique sent everything in the other direction.

When did you start watching us? Last year?

Don t even know why i even replied to your rubbish. Guess joke is on me.

The absolute drivel you read on here sometimes...

 

[khaled_a_d]

Umtiti far superior than Pique ever was? come on now.
When Pique retires he will be remember as all time great, he has been great for us or a decade now. And yes was better than Umtiti now.
As for Umtiti being the world best, I think he is surely a contender for it, although I am yet to see him being called that outside of Barca fans

 

[raki]

I hate international breaks and mostly pointless debates like these on the last few pages that almost always emerges when Barça is not playing and mediots have to write some BS articles to get their clicks/sell papers.

Good sense above

 

[tacticvarium]

I didn't know being the world's best CB was this easy. Some of you probably just started watching football this year?
Come on, Umtiti has surely been a great signing for Barça but being a fan doesn't mean you can overrate every single player you like.
Being a starter at Barça doesn't also automatically make the player suddenly among the best players in the world.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

There is a difference between most inform defender and best defender in the world.
Umtiti and Varane are the best young defenders and Umtiti can be argued to be most inform defender. But, on their day, Ramos, Pique, Chiellini are the world's best defenders.

If this is supposed to be some sort of "iconic performance" then I don't even know what to say. He was barely faced with serious opposition in this video. Umtiti at 24 is far superior to what Pique has ever been. It's just the truth.

No. This is why individuals should not be estimated only by team results. Pique is the best technical defender in the world (considering Thiago Silva plays in farmers league). Even when Puyol was there, Pique was the best technically and positionally. You can pair Vermaelen or Varane or Marquinho with Pique in this team and our team will remain the best defensive team. Rakitic should be credited for this. It's Umtiti who is favoured by Barca, not the other way around. And there is no way a greedy player who just completed one season can be given the same value (financially) as of iniesta.

 

[draconifire]

For me, he's the best defender at this moment. He's consistent also.
Doesn't change my opinion that if he's asking is so high, and if he's acting like a prick he should leave. We are a big club and we should act like that. We should take a note from bayern's book in these matters.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

For me, he's the best defender at this moment. He's consistent also.
Doesn't change my opinion that if he's asking is so high, and if he's acting like a prick he should leave. We are a big club and we should act like that. We should take a note from bayern's book in these matters.

Best defender at the moment = Most inform defender.

It's illogical when Barca fans praise Bayern and Real Madrid for their fantastic well balanced wage structure but at the same time, want a young player who just completed one season to earn the same value as Iniesta.

 

[draconifire]

Best defender at the moment = Most inform defender.

It's illogical when Barca fans praise Bayern and Real Madrid for their fantastic well balanced wage structure but at the same time, want a young player who just completed one season to earn the same value as Iniesta.

Except for a couple of matches he's been inform for the best part of more than a year. Best defender currently.

That's why I don't want him to earn that much. There's a line and seems he is crossing it for me.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

His performance against Chelsea was better than any performance Pique has had in his career. SMH @ Pique being a better defender than him.

There's no defender in the world better than him aerially, at tackling and or with the ball at his feet. He's playing at a level that only Thiago Silva was at during his reign in AC Milan.

We were worse defensively (for our standards of the season) against Chelsea compared to other big matches. Our best defensive performance of the season was against Atletico. And the only player who can be compared to Thiago Silva at his peak is Pique because both relied on technique more than strengh unlike Chiellini.

Except for a couple of matches he's been inform for the best part of more than a year. Best defender currently.

That's why I don't want him to earn that much. There's a line and seems he is crossing it for me.

Only difference between our opinions is that, in a Champions leage final I would opine Pique (Total Football team), Ramos (Counter Attacking team) and Chiellini (Defensive block) as best possible defenders rather than Umtiti despite his form. That's why I would say, most inform defender doesn't necessarily mean best defender currently. It's very reasonable to expect Pique to lead the defense in the next classico than Umtiti.

 

[GOAT_SUAREZ]

Best defender at the moment = Most inform defender.

It's illogical when Barca fans praise Bayern and Real Madrid for their fantastic well balanced wage structure but at the same time, want a young player who just completed one season to earn the same value as Iniesta.

I certainly agree but we never can have a good wage structure when we give 1 player 60 million each year. Way too much.

And we certainly can't give Umtiti 9 million at age 24. Just not possible. 7 million will be max.

 

[tacticvarium]

His performance against Chelsea was better than any performance Pique has had in his career.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

I certainly agree but we never can have a good wage structure when we give 1 player 60 million each year. Way too much.

And we certainly can't give Umtiti 9 million at age 24. Just not possible. 7 million will be max.

Progress is done by offloading high earning underperformers. Iniesta, Busquets, Ter Stegen, Pique and Roberto are good examples for players focused on Football rather than money. I think even in the instance of Messi if not for his Father (who is responsible for tax issues), he wouldn't have demanded insane amounts.

 

[GOAT_SUAREZ]

Progress is done by offloading high earning underperformers. Iniesta, Busquets, Ter Stegen, Pique and Roberto are good examples for players focused on Football rather than money. I think even in the instance of Messi if not for his Father (who is responsible for tax issues), he wouldn't have demanded insane amounts.

I'm not saying Messi is greedy because of what he has done for the club, but his contract hurts us a lot in the coming years in the wage structure. It was not his fault but it comes back to us. I agree that we should offload Gomes and Vidal first as high earners who don't perform. Good that we don't have to pay Arda and Mascherano anymore. If Iniesta leaves, that's another big salary off the books.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

I'm not saying Messi is greedy because of what he has done for the club, but his contract hurts us a lot in the coming years in the wage structure. It was not his fault but it comes back to us. I agree that we should offload Gomes and Vidal first as high earners who don't perform. Good that we don't have to pay Arda and Mascherano anymore. If Iniesta leaves, that's another big salary off the books.

It's correct to criticize Messi. It's not a question of whether he deserves it or not. It is a question of worsening the club. I don't know why they received the 100 M bonus too. It could've been utilized to sign a proven young defender or midfielder which in turn will only benefit the career of Messi. You would not expect such from a player who came through the ranks of academy, no matter how important he is for the club.

If Iniesta leaves, that's another big salary off the books.

Because of those ridiculous amounts spent for Messi's contract renewal, even the wage of Iniesta appears like an issue.

 

[Tekkers]

We were worse defensively (for our standards of the season) against Chelsea compared to other big matches. Our best defensive performance of the season was against Atletico. And the only player who can be compared to Thiago Silva at his peak is Pique because both relied on technique more than strengh unlike Chiellini.

I clearly don't see what you see in Pique. He has the longevity and accolades, but talent wise, it's not even a comparison. Thiago Silva is clearly the most gifted centre back when you take all things into account (especially defensively). And him and Umtiti are just as good (if not better) at the one thing Pique does well which is ballplaying ability. Outside of Barca the guy isn't even that highly rated so I don't know why this is coming off as a shock.