Sandro Ramirez

[FlaFCB]

That should be discussed at the end of season. In any case at least we did something. And i disagree with quality subs, our roster looks much stronger, apart from sub for Suarez unfortunately

I guess we've been seeing different games. The new signings are having a hard time adapting. Apart from Umtiti, and somewhat Digne, the others are yet to actually make a difference in strengthening the team, or being a sub that can change a game.

 

[God Serena]

That should be discussed at the end of season. In any case at least we did something. And i disagree with quality subs, our roster looks much stronger, apart from sub for Suarez unfortunately

The only position that is ACTUALLY strengthened is CB. Digne was brought in to replace Grimaldo (Who should have never left), and every other player brought in has been mediocre at best, Paco at worst.

Munir and Sandro were 2 most criticized players last season. Why anyone thinks they suddenly would shine with same coach, same tactics, same amount of gametime, i dont get. Samper must be one of the most random La Masia hyped up players in recent years. He is just plain average.

Munir last season was much better in every aspect of his play than Paco Alcacer, who can't score a single goal or even put in a decent performance against 3rd tier opposition.

I still think even if we didn't get Gomes, Samper would still struggle to get minutes here.

It's not because of Mascherano, it's because of Roberto. Imagine a Scenario where Vidal was actually a solid all around dependable RB? and we didn't get Gomes. Roberto would still be our starting RB but however Vidal would still be a good dependable back up like Digne.

With this Lucho would've used Roberto as Busi's first choice DM backup and Samper despite staying would've been left out in the cold like Sandro who lost the battle against Munir as our 4th striker a season ago. Samper has a lot of talent and he's very creative but Lucho wants more than just that.

Samper might be more creative than Roberto is but at this moment Roberto is far ahead in the Physical and defensive aspect as lone Pivot than Samper is. Hell it wouldn't have surprised me either if Rakitic was also ahead of Samper in the pecking order.

It's just how Lucho sees things.

You can't say Samper probably wouldn't get any minutes, and then create an alternate reality where everything, down to Vidal becoming a good RB, happens to make it impossible for him to play.

 

[God Serena]

That is just stupid.

These sort of things are often said when a player isn't here to prove them wrong. Nobody was talking trash about Munir under his form since January but the moment he was shipped off to Valencia it was because he's mediocre and Paco is a true talent to many of the usual La Masia detractors.

 

[LeeRomeno]

That is just stupid.

Oh really, i have yet to see what the hype is about.

 

[LeeRomeno]

I guess we've been seeing different games. The new signings are having a hard time adapting. Apart from Umtiti, and somewhat Digne, the others are yet to actually make a difference in strengthening the team, or being a sub that can change a game.

Only signing who is having hard time adapting is Paco. Umtiti has surely been massive upgrade vs last season Mathieu, Digne i cannot even how massive upgrade from Mathieu/Adriano. For midfield we didnt even have any real options apart from the starting 3 of Iniesta/Busi/Raki (partly due to Rafinhas long injury of course and transfer ban). For strikers same case with MSN. Big reason of our spring collapse was down to lack of options in the first half of season. Everyone just got tired and out of form.
This season we have 2 decent options who actually get alot of gametime in Denis and Gomez, sure they havent been gamechanges, but have not really flopped as well.
Rafinha/Arda have been pretty excellent when playing up front, we can rotate at back and not fear in games if Alba is injured. This all has made gametime split between players much more equally, which will eventually result in players being much more fresh in second half of season, which is when titles are actually decided.
And no, i also would have preferred an older and established player for striker sub, someone like Super-Mario or Van Persie or anyone similar. Paco is also young and needs alot more gametime then he has had so far.
Sure every player needs time to adapt, but young players like Sandro/Munir need to play as much as they can and having them stuck around for another season would have made no sense in any level.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Nobody was talking trash about Munir under his form since January

Seriously?Almost everyone still said that back up attacker to replace him is a top priority. Plenty of people didn't like at all either even after January. Because at the end he wasn't really good enough after January,just better than he was in 1st half of the season and way better than Sandro who was total shit last year.

Just imagine: We could have kept Masia boys Sandro and Munir and saved 70 million too as both are better than Turan and Paco.

I could also add Samper who is looking solid while Gomes disappears each time he plays.

That's over 100 million down the drain and big fuck you to all Masia kids waiting in line.

Arda deal had nothing to do with either Munir or Sandro tbh. he was signed in same summer they were promoted to be a midfielder.

And Sandro was really awful last season,he was Paco level of awful tbh. Keeping him made no sense for either the club or the player. we have done the right thing to let him go. To care about the future of our La Masia players is actually important. Sandro could very well come back in 2018 in a very friendly deal after being treated well and developing into way better player. If he was kept we would have just stagnated his career.

And Samper has just regained his starting spot at Granada who are the 2nd worst team in Liga,3 weeks ago people were saying we should look for another club for him. I am not sure how he is solid in comparison to Gomes.

I mean yeah those deals might eventually look bad (specially Paco & Arda,will see about Gomes) but that will be due to going after the wrong player not because we had gr8 La Masia players that we have ignored. That can be only said about Grimaldo right now.

 

[LeeRomeno]

These sort of things are often said when a player isn't here to prove them wrong. Nobody was talking trash about Munir under his form since January but the moment he was shipped off to Valencia it was because he's mediocre and Paco is a true talent to many of the usual La Masia detractors.

I have always said that out of Sandro/Munir couple, Munir always looked the more talented one. I have always said as well though that the position of striker sub in current Barca does not belong to a young striker. Young strikers need patience and alot of chances to get their confidence and game going. This was shown with Munir in his last season Copa run. But it is inevitable that whoever plays this role as a sub will get very limited chances but if they come, he needs to be ready and not some young dude awed by the chance will not be ready. Same can be said by Paco as well.

 

[navidjaan]

The young ones "aren't ready" (remember, always blame the kids, not the coach), the best strikers won't join and the average ones are overpriced because we're desperate and will underperform until they leave for less than half of what they were bought for. That's the dark side of having MSN. So, why not keep those who actually who know the system, who have shown enough talent to make it where they are and who are more hungry than anybody to make it at the club they've spend 100% of their time on since their mid teens? And save money for places needed instead (40M in the Bellerin bank or whoever they are planning to go all-out after next).

 

[khaled_a_d]

why not keep those who actually who know the system, who have shown enough talent to make it where they are

The thing is people has really different interpretation to this sentence,some like you -and I am not trying to be critical trust me- will think there are many players who had the talent to make it here. Others like BBZ for example will have way fewer kids on this list (like only Alena)

For Munir-Paco swap your statement might prove to be right (and this look likely right now) But for Sandro? he clearly showed he need to get the hell out of the club last season. It was the best for everyone to let him go tbh. Last summer he was a 21 years old player who had miserable season and no success really on professional level with 1 year left in his contract and it was clear he was gonna leave,we weren't gonna get money for him.

 

[navidjaan]

The thing is people has really different interpretation to this sentence,some like you -and I am not trying to be critical trust me- will think there are many players who had the talent to make it here. Others like BBZ for example will have way fewer kids on this list (like only Alena)

You misunderstood what I said. I didn't think Munir nor Sandro would make it big time at Barça (especially not Sandro), but what I meant with "who have shown enough talent to make it where they are" was that they had shown a lot of progress in the last years and had fought their way in to the first team. Sandro was leaving no matter what, but Munir was finally showing great process and had a great role in the cup last season and even looking besides his preseason, he was important in the Supercup win vs Sevilla.

What is "this list"? The list of those Lucho dump for signings? Aleñá is going to be loaned out, too.

 

[jamrock]

Sandro > Munir

 

[Trafalgar]

What have we done

Naah srsly he needed a team like Malaga to show his full potential

 

[El Flaco]

Scored the opener against us today.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Buried us.

 

[God Serena]

For some reason Munir and Sandro are better against us than the players we brought in are against them.