Sandro Rosell

[jamrock]

Lower than it's currently.

dwl you have no idea what debt ratio is do you? don't go and Google it.


you must be rosell,who comes in and think to himself

he was won every their is to win
he has restored the club to its former glory
he has built. a great squad
he has increase revenues 3x

oh but look the debt is kind of high, i can make it my own and use it to show i am good to, because very fee people actually understand debt

 

[jiopi]

dwl you have no idea what debt ratio is do you? don't go and Google it.


you must be rosell,who comes in and think to himself

he was won every their is to win
he has restored the club to its former glory
he has built. a great squad
he has increase revenues 3x

oh but look the debt is kind of high, i can make it my own and use it to show i am good to, because very fee people actually understand debt

You really are naive aren't you?

Come back to talk about the ratios, when the TV-deal redesing goes through and we are still buried in deep shit. Lets see how much you will like when some Arab prince comes to knocking on your door then.

 

[oz187]

Lower than it's currently.

What's wrong with the current level? What measurements are you using to decide this?

 

[jiopi]

What's wrong with the current level? What measurements are you using to decide this?

Look the post above. Now isn't the time to continue to blow the revenue out to nothing without also lowering your debt.

 

[oz187]

The post above is completely vacuous. What's wrong with this time? How exactly is revenue being blown out to nothing? Why should they lower debt rather than invest to increase revenue? Exactly what debt ratio do you think is reasonable? Can you answer any of this with anything substantial or do you just have mindless rhetoric to offer?

 

[jiopi]

The post above is completely vacuous. What's wrong with this time? How exactly is revenue being blown out to nothing? Why should they lower debt rather than invest to increase revenue? Exactly what debt ratio do you think is reasonable? Can you answer any of this with anything substantial or do you just have mindless rhetoric to offer?

Ratios matter little when the future isn't bright, if you haven't noticed we have this thing called depression going in the Europe at the moment, and the future isn't really looking that much brighter. Or is this thing still completely oblivious to everyone in Spain? If example the the TV-deal redesign goes through, have you counted how much less money Barca will make just with that? You can forget buying anybody, never mind Neymar's and co. Oh yes, lets invest to increase revenue, that makes it all the better, and it's easy and guaranteed as ever. It isn't that simple sadly.

 

[jamrock]

how much less will barca be getting in that deal?

they will be getting a smaller percentage if a bigger pie, so they will be getting the same or more. don't remember which

 

[oz187]

Ratios matter little when the future isn't bright, if you haven't noticed we have this thing called depression going in the Europe at the moment, and the future isn't really looking that much brighter.

Recession has been going on for a few years, but Barca have still managed to consistently grow every year. The football market is also not just Europe but global and that is where a lot of the growth potential comes from. Brazil being the prime candidate what with the signing of Neymar.

Or is this thing still completely oblivious to everyone in Spain? If example the the TV-deal redesign goes through, have you counted how much less money Barca will make just with that?

The TV deal would mean Barcelona would get the same money, maybe a little more. The percentage they get decreases, but because the overall deal is bigger the amount they receive won't go down. Neymar may also increase the value of that deal.

Oh yes, lets invest to increase revenue, that makes it all the better, and it's easy and guaranteed as ever. It isn't that simple sadly.

I never said it's easy, but this is the job of the board to try to use the money to grow the business. You're also making this false assumption that the current board just want to have a lower debt. They don't, they are planning on increasing the debt again to invest in the stadium.

 

[jiopi]

Don't know the details, if the deal is much bigger the the effect isn't that bad. But these kind of "bad" things could happen.

Here's a story:

I'm Finnish and we had this company called Sonera (mobile) in the 90's, and I remember at the peak of the IT-bubble how we could have sold it and payed our whole national debt with it, about 60B at the time. And we had one minister, who lobbied against it, saying that it will continue to grow so why sell it this "low"? Then the bubble burst, and the value of the company dropped to peanuts. Now we are continuing taking better loan to cover worse loan and so on, and the national debt has gotten to 100B. And when, or if the economy ever recovers, we will be paying the loans and interests of it to kingdom come.

Oh how I would liked to have been zero debt, and self-supporting country now, and used our whole income to our good.

Oh how I would liked to have had "Rosell" as our minister, rather than "Laporta".

The moral of this story? Never presume and take the future for granted, you never know if something unexpected
will happen.

 

[Eetu]

Unless we're planning to suddenly also challenge for Bundesliga and EPL titles and do that through overpaying for technology with short lifetime, Sonera doesn't really do much for us even as an anecdote. It was a train wreck you could see coming from miles away.

Traditionally bad times in economy have meant good times for entertainment industry; little joys vs holiday trips and such.

 

[oz187]

The moral of this story? Never presume and take the future for granted, you never know if something unexpected will happen.

Again, just mindless rhetoric. This is what businesses do, they try not to take the future for granted, they analyse the risks and they come up with strategies for growth and investment. Barca have a lot of stability in their business. They sign contracts that run for four or five years. They have an element of monopoly since for example the fans that go to matches are loyal to the club and don't have the option of choosing the competition. This era they had a contender for best team ever and had a lot of young players playing at a high level(Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc). There's a lot of stability in the club which makes it possible for investment if they want.

The debts are also very low. Even aside from the fact that the board is lying about the debt, it is low. The stadium alone is probably worth more than the debt. The players are worth over half a billion, again more than the debt. But even so, the key is revenue since it is recurring. 500M annual revenue comes to 10 Billion over 20 years. A debt of a few hundred million is low.

 

[Jaykob]

Again, just mindless rhetoric. This is what businesses do, they try not to take the future for granted, they analyse the risks and they come up with strategies for growth and investment. Barca have a lot of stability in their business. They sign contracts that run for four or five years. They have an element of monopoly since for example the fans that go to matches are loyal to the club and don't have the option of choosing the competition. This era they had a contender for best team ever and had a lot of young players playing at a high level(Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc). There's a lot of stability in the club which makes it possible for investment if they want.

The debts are also very low. Even aside from the fact that the board is lying about the debt, it is low. The stadium alone is probably worth more than the debt. The players are worth over half a billion, again more than the debt. But even so, the key is revenue since it is recurring. 500M annual revenue comes to 10 Billion over 20 years. A debt of a few hundred million is low.

Exactly, I think few people actually grasp dept in a business context. Literally every company in the world has dept. What matters is the revenue stream, the stability and if dept is increasing .

 

[jiopi]

Again, just mindless rhetoric.

Only thing mindless here is you. You spew nonsense which you have little knowledge, and which you have probably read from Laporta supporting articles, and now take them as some truth.

This thread has some of the biggest mass delusions going on I've seen in a long time.

 

[jamrock]

no the only person mindless is you, you talked about tv money without having a clue what is happening with it and you are surely not the one to be talking about reading out of someone's hand book

 

[jiopi]

no the only person mindless is you, you talked about tv money without having a clue what is happening with it and you are surely not the one to be talking about reading out of someone's hand book

Actually I knew the consequence of it being a worse deal, you didn't have a clue about it's effects, nor even couldn't associate it to the discussion. Nobody knows what's the deal going to be, only that everybody will get more even cut. And I used it as an example, not the only potentially bad thing to happen in future, too bad it seemed to go through your mindless head. But you're obviously not the only one.